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All Forum Posts by: Nicole Shoaf

Nicole Shoaf has started 1 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Next Move? Multi-Family live in value-add?

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Quote from @Jake Andronico:

@Nicole Shoaf

Congrats!! Sounds like you guys are in a great spot. I lived in the Bay Area, went to school in Santa Barbara, and decided to live and invest in Reno, NV. 

If you have an awesome job and love living where you are, there is no shame in staying put! 

Depending on how risk adverse you are, going out of state can make sense, but I always recommend investing in your backyard (or at least being driving distance). 

If they're cash flowing super well, why sell or take out a HELOC?

If you pay cash for something and are able to refinance at a rate that makes sense to pay off your HELOC, that's the only thing I could see making some sense.

But, sometimes waiting and stacking cash for another opportunity is the best plan. 

Best of luck to you!!


 Thanks Jake! I also went to school in Santa Barbara (UCSB!) My twin sis is actually getting some proceeds from a home sale due to her recent divorce and is looking to invest in Reno, and I am considering investing in a property with her if we find the right multi-family in the right neighborhood for the right price.  The primary home isn't cash flowing (as we live in it), and would MAYBE break even if we were to rent it, but the Truckee home does cash flow a little.  And yes, maybe "be patient and save" is the best move right now, until a good deal comes along.  

Post: Next Move? Multi-Family live in value-add?

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Quote from @Alan Asriants:

With that amount of equity and being in CA I think you have a couple decent options

1. Build an ADU. Use a home equity loan (fixed debt) instead of a HELOC (variable equity) and build an additional unit you can rent out in your own backyard. This will make it a lot easier to manage, will cost you less than buying on the market and typically you can get 1:1 rent returns. Meaning if you invest around 200,000 for a nice sized 1bed 1.5 adu Im sure you can rent close to $2000/m. Remember, investing 200,000 into an ADU won't likely increase your properties value by 200,000, but the rent potential is a great bonus. Better than buying a section 8 rental for 180,000 2000 miles away

2. SPlit lot using Sb-9. CA is pushing lot subdivisions and you can build up to 2 units per lot. Meaning you can add another unit to your existing structure and 2 more units on the new subdivided lot. You can get really creative with the financing here. Of course there are nuances and you have to have appropriate lot sizes, but worth looking into. Also you will greatly improve cash flows and now you will have 2 CA properties from one. makes as much sense as splitting a unibrow into 2 eyebrows lol

3. You can take out home equity loan and use that as a down payment on an investment property, but I'm pretty sure your return will be very poor. This is because you are leveraging your downpayment and the cost of the property. 

If you are building on your own existing lot, you are sacrificing privacy for sure, but if you are comfortable with that in this stage of your life its a good way to maximize what you already have than trying to go to market and spending over $1M on a decent duplex. 

My partner is a contractor in the area and if you need to connect and get some quotes or talk about any scopes of work, reach out anytime. 


Thanks for the insight and suggestions Alan! Unfortunately - my current lot for my primary is 1 acre and VERY sloped, and close to a water source (creek), so the county has not even allowed me to permit my downstairs finished basement without an extremely costly renovation to our septic (over $60,000, and that doesn't count demo'ing and replacing our driveway to get to the existing tank and leachfield), and even if I could permit it, it would essentially need to be a treehouse in the redwoods due to the slope (not a bad idea though, I would actually love a livable treehouse on this lot! It could be worth talking with the contractor you mentioned to discuss this possibility). Our other property is in a fairly strict HOA in Truckee, and is .33 acres. The way the house is situated on it, I'm not sure we have enough space to build an ADU (BUT, still worth looking into!) Other option would be to sell one of these homes and buy a single family home on a larger, flatter lot with more potential to build, but then I lose these great mortgages I've got.

Post: Next Move? Multi-Family live in value-add?

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Thanks Natalie! Thats good to know. I assume that's the same for a duplex? and also for a SFH with ADU? Thanks!

Post: Next Move? Multi-Family live in value-add?

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I currently own two properties - my primary home and a vacation home in Truckee we rent out on Airbnb.  Both homes have mortgages, about 37% Loan to value, at an exceptional rate of 2.625% (15 yr and 20 yr respectively, both refinanced in 2020).  I'm worried that this equity we are sitting on is not being put to its best use, and am wondering what someone in this situation would do?  A home equity loan seems like a possible way to expand my portfolio, would consider buying a multifamily and renting out our current home to live in one of the units and purchase it as a primary home (assuming its 4 units or less), but being in the Santa Cruz CA area, I am afraid I'll need to look outside of CA for any deal that makes sense, and can't afford to lose my great job (can't work remotely).  I'm afraid of the unknowns with out of state investing, and am afraid of overextending myself financially.  Thanks for any insights!