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All Forum Posts by: Nick Shri

Nick Shri has started 31 posts and replied 215 times.

Post: Wait to get a HELOC or go for it?

Nick ShriPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Virginia
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 133

Your debt history is an indicator to banks on how you will manage future funds. You should have two major debts and that should be all - your current mortgage and vehicle. If you have debts that fund your lifestyle - boats, rvs, atvs etc the banks don't like to see that unless you have proven debt history that is strong as well as you holding cash. So don't worry about future drop in house prices, or future increase in interest rates - clean up your 'small' debts first.

Post: First Multifamily Property Concerns

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  • Virginia
  • Posts 217
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You are in contract with the Seller. You can always hold off on closing if you want. If the Seller didn't promise to give you empty unit then you are on the hook. Best approach is to ask the Seller for attorney fees (lower the purchase price by say $5k), and close on the property. You now have $xx to work with, use it towards cash-for-keys, attorney or whatever. Keep us posted on how it goes.

Post: Practical Steps to take before graduating college

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  • Virginia
  • Posts 217
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Quote from @Jared B.:

I am currently a college student going into my sophomore year. I will have little to no debt graduating out of college. I know that I want to House Hack (duplex) to start my real estate investing journey right out of college (and later invest in multifamily properties after the house hack). Right now, I'm working the summers to pay off small student loans and saving a little. 

Are there any practical steps I can take to continually grow and develop before I start investing in real estate? I've read a few books and have talked with a few family friends that are either realtors or house flippers, but I want to get more involved before I am able to gather the capital necessary to start investing. 

All advice above is great. I would recommend to find work in a RE firm as an intern to learn the ropes. You could intern as a contractor one summer, real estate broker office the other and so on. If you think of partying during your college, save that time and visit local real estate meetups or investors groups. Do a thesis in your college on real estate investing if you can.

Now, save as much $$ as you can, stay frugal. Buy a property to house hack if you can once you graduate. I understand you are still a student, but if you could borrow funds from your family and buy a property to house hack in your college town you should consider that. Rent out rooms to other college students and learn the ropes on the fly.

Wish you the best...

Post: First Rental Investment can be a distance property?

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Virginia
  • Posts 217
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Quote from @Boruch Vann:

I am seeking my first rental property. I've been scanning for leads in my area for a couple of weeks, but every opportunity I find offers negative cash flow because property values are disproportionately expensive as compared to rents in my area. I don't think I should go for gut-job BRRRR style investments with my low level of experience. I think it makes the most sense for me to look in a different region where rents are higher versus property values. Does anyone have experience starting out your portfolio as an out-of-town owner? What obstacles will I have to overcome? What are the risks?

Samoy - first of all, congratulations on deciding to start your journey. You are 50% successful already!!! You do have good thought process, stay away from BRRRR investments as a starter however what is your work look like? If you have a FT 9-5 already then I would recommend you start off with a rent-ready property OR already rented property. Things to watch out for in such properties would be major CapEx in immediate future: roofing, hot water tanks, foundational issues and such. You should none to very minimum CapEx in near future. Think Turnkey to start off with. I can give you some recommendations/referrals in this area.

Now if you have time on hand, I recommend BRRRR, pick a location that provides you good CF (mid-western states), identify distressed properties (distress can be something that can require TLC to full gut), identify contractors (if you can't do it on your own) and fix it up, that should appraise the property at high price point and you can roll with it. Listen to PodCasts or read up on David Greene's OOS investing book. You have to buy the property at right price (thats where you will make your money).

Inspecting properties - whether you buy rent ready, already rented or BRRRR potentials, will go a loooong way.

And last but not least, identifying good PMs. They are definitely diamonds in rough these days. But they exist.

Best thing is to call on folks here who area already OOS investors. I spoke with 5 OOS investors before I bought my first OOS rental. Feel free to DM me if you wish to chat/talk over phone, happy to help get you closer to taking actions.

Good luck..

Post: Out of State Investing for Californians?

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  • Virginia
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Hector Valadez:

Hi, my name is Hector and I decided to get into the Real Estate world last year. I live in Lancaster, CA and own a single family home rental. I have been a lurker on these forums and soaked up a lot of knowledge so thank you all.

I have been considering investing out of state and I was curious where other investors in California were investing in. 

I would also appreciate if you could shed knowldege on a newbie as to how you determine if a certain market is desireable. Thanks again for all the help.


You didn't indicate your reasoning for OOS investing, below are the reasons why and where most investors target.

CF, almost no Appreciation, meet the 1% rule - Mid-western states

None to minimal CF, mid to high appreciation - TX, FL, TN, CO, ID

Hope this helps..

Post: Buyers or Sellers Market

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

Curious for those who are active in the space.

Do you currently see it as a buyers or sellers market right now?

Do you think in 90 days this will have changed?

Love to get your feedback and opinions.


 Since you are in NOVA my comment should be relatable. Sellers market at the right price, also many businesses bringing their HQ here. If there are similar factors in other towns it will be Sellers market, Austin is another example.

Buyer's market in not so economically strong markets. Take small towns for example have certainly turned into buyers market. 

Same will continue over next 90 days.

Post: How I went from a white lie to 300+ units in 1.5 years

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  • Virginia
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Quote from @Jason Baik:

Hello all,

I’m a former corporate data scientist turned full-time investor. I’ve had a tough but rewarding journey these past few years and I’d like to share my personal experience to hopefully help others in the early stages of their investing journeys.

I want to give you what I wanted myself – an honest understanding of what it takes to get over that initial hurdle. While I love listening to the Brandon Turners of the world, their success always felt so far away. I prefer to learn from those who are just a step or two ahead of me so... if I'm a step ahead of you, hopefully there's value in this post.

My start:

In 2020, I decided to quit my six-figure career in data to pursue real estate full-time in arguably the worst housing market of the last decade. The day before I left my 9-to-5, my managing partner conducted an exit interview during which she asked, “I hear you’re going to be a real estate investor… so, how many houses do you own now?”.

The moment lingers in my memory because I remember so very vividly the wave of nausea that overtook me. I managed to choke out, “oh, just a few rentals…”. The truth? I had zero investment properties and I hadn’t even bought my own house before.

It wasn’t a malicious lie but one born out of fear. I was about to throw away a decade-long career and I was too embarrassed to admit to anyone that I had no idea what I was doing.

My reason:

The first question most people ask then: why’d I do it?

My answer is simple but two-fold.

1) I needed to take care of my family at a level that my career couldn’t provide. Data scientists make a great living but my family is dirt poor: blue collar workers who have lived paycheck-to-paycheck their entire lives. If I had any hope of providing my parents with a remotely stable retirement, I had to generate some wealth.

2) Equally as important, I wanted to prove to myself that I could. As the child of immigrant parents, I spent most of my life believing that there was only one way to live life: go to a good school, get a good job, work until I retire. I was great at following directions from others but I never took a chance on following what I wanted out of life: freedom to enjoy time with my loved ones and not worry about finances. It wasn’t until I was 30 that I mustered the courage to try to follow my own path.

    My progress:

    Year 0: I'm not as reckless as my intro may imply... I spent 3 years reducing my expenses by over 50%, paying off all of my debts and growing a small nest egg. I decided that if I was going to invest in myself for the first time in my life, I was going to go at it 100%. There's nothing wrong with straddling a full-time job and investing on the side like most people do - I just knew I had to do it differently.

    Year 1: I liquidated my meager life savings and bought 7 single-family homes. I stabilized those in 9 months, refinanced by the end of month 12 and moved onto multifamily. I met my current business partner during that first year through organic networking. A mutual colleague put us in touch, I met him at a real estate event, and eventually spent a week with him in Cincinnati, looking at properties and enjoying some casual time together.

    Year 2: My partner and I bought 60+ units as a lead sponsor and co-sponsored 260+ units. Today, we’ve got a few deals in the pipeline, a 25 unit owner-financing deal, a 50 unit portfolio, and a 100 unit complex.

    Year 3: I’m aiming for larger, more profitable deals and growing into a scalable business.

    My advice:

    I know the pain of getting started since I was just there not long ago. I’ve made a ton of mistakes so based on my personal experiences here are my recommendations to getting traction.

    1) Focus on yourself. Real estate investing is a personal journey that requires a high EQ (at least in my opinion). Learn to meditate, exercise, eat well, spend time with friends and family, read, watch TV, whatever it takes to not burnout and keep going.

    2) Leverage your existing skills and find a niche. For me, I knew nothing about real estate but I knew numbers. I think like an engineer / an economist / a statistician. My ability to create spreadsheets and track everything helped me find partners who filled my gaps and to who I could provide concrete value. Saying you "can do everything" is an open invitation to be ignored or to find other partners who have no idea what they're doing.

    3) Push yourself beyond limitations. Investing in real estate is similar to losing weight. You already know exactly how to succeed, it's just a matter of pushing yourself there. If you want to lose weight, eat less and exercise more; if you want to buy properties, make relationships, analyze deals, and take risks. Learn to enjoy the burn.

    4) Attend events. There is a plethora of online resources – courses, webinars, YouTube videos, podcasts but the one thing that cannot be “taught” digitally is a genuine human connection. As a hard introvert, I hate events as much as the next INFP but they're a necessity.

    5) Take (calculated) risks with your money. Being a real estate investor means never being 100% sure. It’s not just about buying houses… joining masterminds cost $40k, and even events cost thousands of dollars. Do your research to mitigate and hedge but ultimately, know that you have to spend money to learn with no guarantee of success. Losing $10k to learn a lifelong lesson is worth it, I promise you.

    6) Respect the probability. One lucky occurrence does not = skill, and one failure does not = stupidity. Sometimes you get caught in a storm without an umbrella when it was a 10% chance of rain and sometimes you hit a jackpot on the slots. Basing decisions on logic and numbers is the ONLY way you maximize your chances of success.

    7) Be patient. Finding a property can take 6 months and closing can take 3. Accept that success will take a while and enjoy the process.

    8) Stay true to yourself. I’m a data nerd, an introvert, and a frugal nitpicker. My first “mastermind” in multifamily was with a group that touted yachts and brightly colored cars. While I don’t judge people who fit that persona (too much), boats and country clubs are just not me. You’ll meet fellow investors with a wide variety of personalities – your particular tribe may be hard to find but this is a long, patient game. Stay genuine and eventually you’ll found some great mentors, friends and colleagues who click with you.

      9) Figure out what you want out of life. I've met so many investors who follow Grant Cardone religiously who also want a quiet, humble life. Don't fall prey to the glamor and remember why you do this. If you want to be the next Warren Buffet, go for it. For me, I'd much rather be taking a walk with my wife or laughing with friends so I work towards building that life for myself. I spent my corporate career collecting fancy titles and aggressively pursuing salary bumps - trust me when I say that the sigma grind for 30 seconds of an endorphin rush is not a good ROI.

      10) Decide if this is right for you. Real estate is years of blood, sweat, and tears before the "passive income" phase kicks in. Be prepared to devote lose tens of thousands of dollars, fight with loved ones, lie awake at night, and miss important life events. If you simply want to DIVERSIFY your portfolio, find another full-time investor with whom to invest passively. You can enjoy great returns comparable to stocks, have limited liability, and avoid the struggles. Decide if you want some returns or potentially the hardest challenge of your life.

      My parting thoughts:

      It’s easy to write about all of this as I look back on my journey but during month 1, month 3, month 9, there were some incredible lows. This past year has been a whirlwind of uncertainty, fear, and exhaustion but also of elation and relief.

      If it gives you any hope in your own journey, I literally knew nothing about real estate, and I had no connections when I jumped in. Real estate investing is hard but it’s not particularly difficult. Do your homework, put in the time + effort, and you’ll find success with enough patience.


       Great going buddy! Are you available to jump on a call sometime next week? Would love to pick your brain on your MF investments.

      Post: Current market in Cleveland for buy and hold long term rentals

      Nick ShriPosted
      • Rental Property Investor
      • Virginia
      • Posts 217
      • Votes 133
      Quote from @Chris Criss:

      I want to start my investing career in Cleveland but the current market is making me second guess starting now. Anyone out there purchasing buy and hold long term rentals in the Cleveland area currently? Cash flow is the most import factor for me, does waiting make more sense? 


      Have you run the numbers? Use BP calculator and run the numbers. Don't speculate whether market is going up or down. If you get CoC works, and you don't see large CapEx items in the list, you should be good to go. Any downturn might bring the house value down (but IMO, it will be down a little unless you overpay for property). Work with 1% rule. DM me if you want to talk on getting started!! Good luck.

      Post: Stepping off the ledge

      Nick ShriPosted
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      • Virginia
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      @Tim Robbie I just ran in to this post >> https://www.biggerpockets.com/... which is very relevant to your query.

      Post: Stepping off the ledge

      Nick ShriPosted
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      • Virginia
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      Quote from @Tim Robbie:

      Hi Nick,

      Thanks for the reply.

      This is an undivided interest so I would say building on the property is not currently an option. 

      So what would the pros and cons be on buying each property outright with the cash vs using the money to put down and opening new mortgages on each property?

      You can put down all cash and get 10 SFHs at $150k each or put down 25% and spend only $375k for properties worth $1.5M. Yes you will have expenses and your CF will be less with the latter but as I mentioned, you can use $1.5M cash to generate up to $4M of value (maybe even more). And in next 10-20 years you would realize that $4M. Why invest all your cash when you can leverage and grow multiples? I recommend you read Rich Dad Poor Dad and Cash Flow Quadrant.