Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Nick K.

Nick K. has started 7 posts and replied 32 times.

Post: Kansas Realtor Question

Nick K.Posted
  • Derby, KS
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 6

I recently took my Realtor License exam, and came across a question I was hoping someone could clarify for me. I re-made the question the best I could remember....

Question: A licensee gets information of a leak in their clients(the sellers) basement. The seller produces a document showing there is no leak (i think by a professional). The licensee MUST:

A. Keep this information confidential, unless the seller authorizes you to disclose it.

B. Reccomend the client gets it looked at by a different professional.

C. Tell the buyer no matter what.

D. Tell the buyer only if they ask a specific question about it only if they ask specifically about the basement.

I think I got hung up on whats possibly reccomended vs whats realistic.

Having the seller get another opinion is probably a good idea, but no seller would do that if they have already paid a professional to look at it once...

Thanks for any input!

Thanks for the reply. So if we are joint on this trust, how does that work in regards to a mortgage...what will the bank want/say? Is it the same process as buying a house in one persons name, just in the name of the trust instead?

Also do you know is this something a title company takes care of, or will it be something we need a lawyer for?

Thanks again!

Ill make this as short as possible.....

I have an elder family member who does not want to own a house, she wants to rent from my wife and I as we are trying to grow our portfolio.

I currently do not have enough $$ to just go out and do traditional financing to place her.

However, she was recently approved for an FHA loan. I can afford the 3+-% down for that.

She asked my wife if there was a way for her to buy a house with our help, and ensure that we own the house so she can rent from us.

We want to help her, and we get the asset in the end out of the deal.

My problem currently is that I am studying for my Real Estate License, and I have a bunch of keywords at the forefront and I think I am over complicating it.

So...if she buys the house with the mortgage in her name and just puts us on title thatd suffice?

Should she buy it and immediately sell to us? Its possible I could refinance it into our name, but I am not 100% on that. She does not want to mess with mortgage payments or anything like that.

That part of our family can be ruthless when it comes to someone passing on vs their possessions, so we would be looking to completely remove her name from anything as quickly as possible.

Ideas on options? 

Originally posted by @Shane H.:

@Nick K.  where is your duplex located?  I'm from Wichita so am curious.

 Lincoln and Oliver area. West of Oliver, north of Lincoln

So when I ran the numbers, even at $425 it made sense. When I ran the numbers, I was accounting for 10% property management. 

What kills the numbers is the placement fee combined with higher turnover.

I think I am going to look into section 8.

For those of you experienced with Section 8, how do you screen differently? Or would you screen the exact same? Should be a difference of income requirement or something right? Credit score still the same?

I might hold off for now on selling. There is heavy pros and cons to both selling and keeping.

I am still not sure about the mowing thing...the units are not very big to begin with...plus the guy that rebuilt them only put 1 water hose outlet on the outside of the building....no idea why other than laziness/cost...

Originally posted by @Jonathan R.:

I've had a lot of luck with Section 8. Once you get a tenant in, which can take a couple months, you typically will get at least a year out of them. They can't break lease and go rent another section 8 house, if they want assistance, they have to play by the rules. I personally don't think you are charging enough in rent. With Section 8 in Wichita you should be getting at least $525 per side, perhaps even $600-$625. The tenant can mow their own yard. I would go after Section 8 tenants and raise the rent if I were in your shoes. I also think you are putting the cart before the horse as far as wanting to use property management. When you have 10 units you can look to have a property manager take over I think. Until then, I like what T. Harv Eker says in Secrets of the Millionaire Mind, "You want problems, problems are good thing, having problems means you are doing something."

 So...thats a good thought...I havent looked at section 8 lately.

In regards to the tenants mowing the property, I am not sure thats plausible....with no garage, no shed, etc i feel it would be really hard to justify them trying to have a mower/take care of that.

I thought of putting a shed on the property, but with the area I am worried about constant break-ins to the shed if I did place it.....

Originally posted by @Corby Goade:

@Nick K. When you have tenants that want to leave early or back out after signing, but before moving in- are you keeping their deposit? Do you have something in your lease that protects you from this? It's not as if you moved the house to a different neighborhood- those tenants know what they are signing on for, you need to make sure you are protected from that. 

 Yes I am keeping the deposit. In the lease it says if the break the lease, the forfiet the deposit. Which helps financially, but is still time and effort of us cleaning, prepping, and marketing/placing a tenant in the property

Originally posted by @Randy E.:
Originally posted by @Nick K.:

So valid point...but there is still the cost of having someone run it if I want to automate it. Eventually I would like not have to phsycially touch stuff anymore, and have all of it hired out....at 10-20% less rents...thatd be impossible....except maybe without a mortgage? Or at least less of a mortgage?

I am right on, or a little less than the other newly renovated ones around....but my first tenant...which was there when I bought it....was paying $400 for rent, vs the $475 I am getting now. And she still left in the middle of the night due to the neighborhood.

Maybe on the next turnover I can be more selective at like $425 vs $475? I still think the neighborhood might deter quality tenants...

I could float the property indefinitely because I do make enough to cover it...but at what point does it become a not so great investment if I continue to float it...one of the beauties of real estate is cash flow right?

Im also afraid if I lower the rent itll discount the fact of how nice they are compared to who I draw in.

You're right.  You can't continue lower rent indefinitely -- then again, it's also not sustainable to endure frequent turnovers.  That was only one possible solution to your rapid-turnover problem. Another was better screening of tenants. 

Yet another possible solution might be improving the quality of the units.  You mentioned that several things have broken.  A unit with frequently-needed repairs might experience more turnover than one that needs a repair only once a year or every two years.  Maybe one of the tenants who moved out did so because of a breakdown, and that might have been the tenant who would have stayed and paid on time for three years.

Or, you might be right and the neighborhood is so bad that you can't find quality tenants.  But don't forget that you yourself said there are worse neighborhoods nearby.  It's been my experience that good tenants will migrate to better neighborhoods given the option.  Among other things, part of what usually makes a neighborhood "worse" are safety concerns and units in poor condition.  Ostensibly, your rental is in an area that is comparatively safer than the "worse" neighborhood and your units are in better condition.  Price your units between the rent points of the two areas, but closer in price to the poorer area, and you should be able to attract more applicants which will include some of those from the "worse" area who might be good tenants wishing to escape the "worse" area.  Screen properly and you'll snag a good long term tenant.

Yet another obstacle to your succeeding or failing in this area is your ability to effectively communicate with your tenant pool.  If you find yourself overly frustrated by what they say to you, or because they seem to not understand what you're saying to them, or how they speak to you, it just may be that you're not yet suited to being a landlord in that area.  Some people are cut out to be landlords in low-income neighborhoods, many are not suited for it.  Because of that reason, some investors stick exclusively to B- and up neighborhoods.  It costs more to invest there, but the tenant pool may be a better fit for your abilities.

Good luck,

Thanks for the input. I think communication gap is minimal...I come from a family with both extremes of college educated...ill say wealth..but none were high society type and poverty/deaths of drug overdose.

That combined with my 15+ years in customer service I am confident in that area...however the overall point you make is a good one and something to keep in mind.

I guess I need to re-look at the market and possibley look for a lower price point with higher standards and see what comes back....

I also guess any cashflow I can just eat for the time being as extra savings towards repairs...the mortgage is set up on a 30 year note...I could pay it off much sooner too to work towards letting someone else manage it..

Originally posted by @Mark Whittlesey:

This is your killer right here:

"So if 1 tenant is needed on each side per year, which I feel might be realistic for this property, thats $950 plus $1140,"

Buy  and hold does not work with that kind of turnover. 

Until we can afford small apartment complexes...this is why I am thinking to move towards buy and hold SFH....the turnover should be less.

There is that chance if I hired a professional to do it, the turnover could be less...big could...but still a could

I also want to make clear incase I mispoke at any point....if I sell this, it would be to move into another illiquid asset...I do believe real estate is the way to go, and overall I love it..

The feeling I am getting from responses is that I should not sell...I would be selling due to lack of knowledge on what I bought/location(and learned from it), to jump into another real estate project.....

I am under the impression that you all believe the neighborhood should be tolerable if I wait it out? I thought it was on its way up...but I am getting more complaints compared to last year on crime and stuff in the area