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All Forum Posts by: Nick Colvill

Nick Colvill has started 3 posts and replied 46 times.

Post: Seller doesn't have Schedule E - shady?

Nick ColvillPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @James Stinnett:

@Nick Colvill

Hi Nick, 

A lot of great information above but I'll give my take on this; anything I repeat from above please take as me 2nd-ing their input!

I was residential loan officer/mortgage broker from 2000 to 2008 and a Realtor since 1993.  2008 and the next few years were difficult times to be in real estate finance so I jumped to bank owned sales during this time, so I have both perspectives.

Both as an LO/mortgage broker and real estate agent I would regularly have banks/lenders ask for a comp-based appraisal and a rental survey on 2-4 units properties; which is Fannie Mae Form 1025/Freddie Mac Form 72. 

Also, when a buyer was buying single family home there would ask for a comp-based appraisal and a single family comparable rent schedule Fannie Mae Form 1007/Freddie Mac Form 1000. 

Then most lenders would allow for 75% of the projected rents as additional income for the buyer, though they would ask for lease agreements -- and if those were not available or incomplete or several years old they would ask for an estoppel from each of the tenants. The idea behind the 75% was that 25% was estimated to go towards repairs, vacancy, CapEx etc.

Also, as mentioned above 1-4 unit is residential and 5+ is commercial. In 1- 4 underwriting focuses on the buyer in 5+ it focuses on the property.

I don't remember underwriters asking for Sched E from the Seller, but as many stated above I would think that would be difficult to obtain and then would question the validity and thus value of any I did obtain.

Hope this helps, best of luck!

James Stinnett

 Thank you for this input! 

In your experience, is there a larger required downpayment for commercial compared to residential or does that depend on the lender?

Post: Seller doesn't have Schedule E - shady?

Nick ColvillPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 26

This has all been monumentally helpful and I'm quite sure it has answered my questions perfectly.

Post: Seller doesn't have Schedule E - shady?

Nick ColvillPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Cody L.:
Originally posted by @Nick Colvill:

I'm new to investing in multi family units and plan to make my first purchase in a few months. I know the Schedule E is what a landlord should be filing come tax season, and I know my lender will want to see the Schedule E for the property for loan purposes. When a seller says they don't have one or can't provide a Schedule E, is that a red flag?

I’ve bought + sold 2000+ units. Never once have I asked for a schedule E. Never once have I been asked for one by a lender. Never once have I given one to a buyer (I’ve been asked a few times though. But rarely) 

 This tells me all I need to know - that I was under the wrong impression about what the lender would require regarding using the existing rents to off set the debt. It appears from this thread that i'm learning that a solid rent roll, along with leases to accompany it should suffice. Can not thank you guys enough

Post: Seller doesn't have Schedule E - shady?

Nick ColvillPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 26

@Parker Borofsky hey thanks for the reply! It's a 4 unit property. I imagine finding the range for what the going rent would be is, in theory, easier - but would that information be enough for a lender in terms of qualifying that income against the debt for qualification purposes? 

I'm sure you guys that have real life experience (unlike myself since this is my first one) can touch on that question. I can't imagine having to qualify for each subsequent future property with strictly my personal income, so what forms of information and data have been proven to be sufficient in the eyes of the lenders you guys have worked with? 

Post: Seller doesn't have Schedule E - shady?

Nick ColvillPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 26

Great response and i'm very happy that my first post has received such a knowledgeable veterans input

To answer your last question of would it be really shady that it's so far below market - what i'm noticing is that they are giving me pro forma numbers (best case scenario) to make the place look like a good deal, and my concern is that if the rents were too far below that, there may be a reason that they are hiding for it. On one hand, they me be just like you and not raise it often, but it also may be because there is something else lurking - just my initial thoughts

Also, in order to get the lender financing they are requesting the Schedule E to verify the income to use to offset the debt, so that I don't have to get qualified using just my numbers. I already own two homes that are my personal residences, and my DTI most likely wouldn't sustain another house WITHOUT the lender offsetting the debt with the rents to some degree - is there any other method of providing lenders with rent history that you have used? Thanks!

Post: Seller doesn't have Schedule E - shady?

Nick ColvillPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 26

I'm new to investing in multi family units and plan to make my first purchase in a few months. I know the Schedule E is what a landlord should be filing come tax season, and I know my lender will want to see the Schedule E for the property for loan purposes. When a seller says they don't have one or can't provide a Schedule E, is that a red flag?