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All Forum Posts by: Nicholas Spinazze

Nicholas Spinazze has started 6 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: BRRR for New Construction?

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Troy P.:
Quote from @Nicholas Spinazze:
Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Nicholas Spinazze is that a single family home? The main reason that won't be a good BRRRR property is because you have to rent it. And in no market will a $1million home be a good rental. We target 3br 2ba homes BELOW the median house price point of each market. To clarify, if you purchased 5 $200,000 homes they will rent better and with more profit than one $1million home. If you do create that much equity, just sell it and go build 2 more of those homes....or buy 6 rentals...or whatever. Those are terrific numbers for a property so don't think that I'm saying it's not a good deal - that's exceptional! At that price point we flip...but not to keep for rentals unless they have many units attached to it.

Hope all of that makes sense.


Hey Andrew thanks so much for the prompt reply! It's not one single family but rather 2 single families each with an accessory dwelling unit (ADU) or mother in law suite. We believe based because we are walking distance from the university that we should be able to rent each single family for 2400 per month (800-900 per bedroom seems to be the going rate in the area). We then plan to use the ADUs as short term rentals. Given the proximity to the baseball and football stadiums we are reasonably confident that we should be able to generate 2500-3000 per month in revenue per ADU and if that doesn't work out we should be able to make them long term rentals as well. So we expect our total monthly revenue to be approximately 9800-10800. Given that does it still make sense to sell and if not would you say its BRRRable?


I like the numbers. I like that you have a backup plan, and it sounds like you've done your homework. If your numbers are conservative for market fluctuation, I would do the same. The only difference is, it's not really a BRRRR. You're not rehabbing and you're not refinancing. But this sounds like a great investment.


 Thanks for the vote of confidence Troy! Hopefully the numbers actually match the estimates at the end of the project!

Post: BRRR for New Construction?

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Nicholas Spinazze yeah, if your loan is a "construction-to-permanent" loan then you already have a permanent loan in place...which is a little strange that they haven't talked over those numbers with you yet.  But get with your lender to know what your refinance numbers look like and we can advise further.


Alright so I looked back over the appraisal that we got from the lender. I misunderstood that this was going to be the value of the home when it converted to a permanent loan. So for each single family the appraiser calculated that the value should be 510,000 including the ADU. The way they are doing the calculation doesn't make sense to me though because they estimate the single family value as 235 per square foot which is actually on the higher side of what we were hoping hope, but then they estimate the value of the ADU as 90,000 despite the fact that it is 900 square feet and has 2 bedrooms? This gives us an average sqft value of approx. 190. Is this a common practice when assessing the value of the ADU?

Post: BRRR for New Construction?

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Jonathan St.Leger:

@Nicholas Spinazze

Building from the ground up is absolutely a great strategy in certain situations. As with all acquisitions, you must buy right. In this scenario you must "buy the land right" and "build right" ( Do not over build for your neighborhood,) I always look for value / opportunities that others may have overlooked or may not even know about the possibilities of what they can do with the land via zoning, subdividing, etc. So, you have already hit a home run by finding a lot that you have mentioned you have subdivided into 2 lots and on top of that you can also build an ADU on each lot. So, kudos to you brother!!! Great start to the build!! What unfair advantages do you have at your disposal? Are you friends with any General Contractors or trades that you can get a better deal from? What kind of sweat equity can you contribute? With the main goal of building it as efficiently as possible which will clearly lead to the most equity at time of completion. (Hopefully enough to execute a full BRRRR after completion even if you have to stabilize / season it before a cash put refi) Now on to the pros and cons of building new. The pros to building new are : 1- That you a doing a massive value add and creating a substantial amount of equity. 2- You will have no Cap-ex and repair expenses for many years to come. 3 - You end up with a nicer property which will demand higher rents, both for short term rentals as well as long term. 4 - Building 4 buildings at the same location should lead to some economies of scale if you can buy in bulk certain items. It will also be more efficient time wise having all the subs knock their jobs out while they're there on site. Time savings = Money Savings / Time is money!

The cons of building new are: 1 - Unforeseen expense increases due to supply chain issues, high labor demand resulting in higher costs, Contractor not budgeting correctly, etc. Do everything in your power to stay in touch with them and review budget as frequently as possible so that you're at least aware of the changing expenses and can adjust accordingly. 2 - Holding costs during construction phase and until you have them rented and bringing in income. Make sure you factor in all the holding costs. Interest, Insurances, Property Taxes etc. 3 - Generally speaking, you usually will get a property that you remodel rented and providing income quicker than a new build. 

As a contractor (not a GC yet) I have been able to build in the past where the appraisal came in double what I had in the total build. In which case I was able to refinance and pull out all of the initial capital. Now to be clear, that did in fact include a bunch of sweat equity that I contributed but then again, I'm fine with delayed gratification! 

I wish the very best of luck with your development!! I look forward to seeing how this turns out for you!

Hey Jonathon! Thanks so much for the detailed feedback and excellent questions! Really a lot of fantastic info you've provided here! As far as unfair advantages I think our biggest advantages are my wife is a real estate attorney and realized that we would be able to build Air BnB's as accessory dwelling units (ADUs) and wouldn't even need a conditional use permit like we would if it was the primary residence. Our other advantage is I'm a software engineer with experience in transaction software and automation. Sweat equity is definitely something we are interested in contributing long term, but haven't learned the skills yet (though very interested in learning those contracting skills and would definitely greatly appreciate any learning resource recommendations). My plan was to visit the site early in the morning on a daily basis as the work progressed, but maybe I should try and setup weekly/monthly meetings with the construction manager to make sure we are staying on budget? 

Post: Software Engineer Real Estate Investors

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Stefan D.:

Hey Nicholas,

Not exactly a software engineer, but I am a Python / Data guy.

1. I pulled county home sales in my target area, and called an API that converts address to Lat and Long.  From this, I made a map that showed which areas had the highest increase in home prices, to show the "path of progress", ie: which areas are on the edges of the appreciating areas that might appreciate next.  It point out a new neighborhood that wasn't on my radar before, but ultimately two deals fell through there and I bought somewhere else.

2. I built a real estate calculator that works probabilistically. IE: instead of saying maintenance is $200 / month, it uses a distribution, most months it's $0, while some months its $2000. It gives a range of outcomes for each investment: IE: in 10 years the 80% confidence interval for ROI is 2-14%. At some point I'd like to build this into a website, but html is such a pain the butt.

As for automations, I just use Mint, and then export the data and use excel to automatically categorize things - not a very Software Engineer type solution, but it makes my accounting pretty quick.


 Hey Stephan! Wow very cool Love the path of progress concept! Definitely something I will need to try out! Does your probabilistic model spread the maintenance costs out randomly for you? 

The main thing I've worked on/planning to work on more is a payment portal for renters that also allows them to put in maintenance requests as well. I'd like to integrate a few different APIs to automate my discovering of new potential properties. 

Post: Upsides and Downsides of Renting to College Students

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Andrew S.:

I find that more and more students want to have pets, so perhaps keep that in mind when you build (fence, LVP flooring instead of carpet, etc).  You can charge extra for pet rent.


 Thanks so much for the feedback @Andrew S.! That's a great callout on pets. Definitely something we will want to account for! 

Post: AI for Real Estate Investors and Databases

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
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Hi Nate! Not sure if I would immediately go to using AI for recommendation/match making. You would need quite a massive amount of training data to actually build something like that for it to actually give valid and relevant results. Instead I'd focus on building an application that allows people to easily search the database. It would be relatively straightforward to have something that would allow them to put in their address and then provide a list of contacts within 50 miles, no AI/machine learning needed. You could create user profiles with an enum field called type or occupation that would allow people to search for other users with a specific job in a specific area.  

Post: Upsides and Downsides of Renting to College Students

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Will Fraser:

Woo Pig Soooie good sir!

As someone who has been on both sides of this equation in the NWA market I can say:  there are some extreme upsides and downsides.

The upside is that unless you build or buy something near campus that would appeal strongly to the staff and various others who are want to live near UofA then you are likely limited on options.  The non-students who tend to live near the university tend to buy and rent different types of homes than university students living near campus.


While some students can be rough on the properties, the cashflow is nice and it's a good way to afford some prime real estate that has an evergreen demand.


If you choose to rent to traditional students you should absolutely have their parents co-sign.    

You may be able to use noise monitoring devices, or you can design the space to be party un-friendly.  Alternatively you can work to build good rapport with the tenants (or hire a PM that does) and work to create a culture there that respects that parties are not allowed.

Thanks for the prompt reply @Will Fraser! Woo Pig Soooie indeed! We are very close to the U of A, walking distance from Baum stadium. Noise monitoring device is a great idea! We definitely also hope to build a good rapport with the students! What amenities do college students generally gravitate towards in your experience? We are really close to the bike trail so our plan was to have a large indoor closet with mounts to store bikes as an example.
 

Post: Software Engineer Real Estate Investors

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
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Any other software engineers become Real Estate Investors? Would love to hear about ways you've leveraged your skills for automations, integrations etc. 

Post: Upsides and Downsides of Renting to College Students

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Investor
  • Fayetteville, AR
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My wife and I have acquired some land really close to the university in Northwest Arkansas. We are building 2 long term SF rentals each with a mother in law suite we plan on using as AirBnbs. The rents in the area are definitely higher for properties that cater to college students and we plan on specifically targeting college students. However, we'd love to hear from the BP community on their past experiences renting to college students? Did you require parents to co-sign the lease? Did you take steps to prevent parties and if so how did that work out? 

Post: Multifamily investment not working out, advice please!!

Nicholas Spinazze
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  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 31
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Sorry to hear you're having a tough time @Ainsley Logan! If the properties were fully rented would they pay for themselves? What level of occupancy percentage wise would you need for them to break even? If these properties require 85% and up occupancy just to break even then I'd lean toward selling them as you should always expect to have some vacancy. What are the short term rental regulations and demand like in your area? Converting some units to STR's could be a way to increase cashflow as long as its legally possible and your market isn't over-saturated.