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All Forum Posts by: Nicholas Stevenson

Nicholas Stevenson has started 5 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: What would you do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Kristine Ann:

Have you been going into banks? If so, don't do that. Go to a mortgage broker that will shop around for a loan for you.  Let him or her find the loans you qualify for.

50k in crypto would make me nervous.  I'd sell it on a good day.  There are huge fluctuations in crypto and you don't want to have to sell on a down day.  I agree you should cash it all out and use it as your down payment to get you to 50% equity.  Heck, sell the stocks too and you'll be at 60% equity.  Leave the Roth alone. 

As far as employment and still not being able to get financing, maybe you just want to wait a year?  There will always be another deal. 


 Yes I have been talking to Wells Fargo and rocket mortgage ill definitely check out some mortgage brokers. Yes you are right about the crypto I do plan on selling soon to rotate it into safer investments. Is it smart to have 50% of equity rather then putting 10-20% down and then going to find another property and doing another 10-20%? 

Post: What would you do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6
Quote from @JD Martin:

Cash out the Crypto and you'll have almost 50% to put down on the house. That level of LTV ought to let you find a lender if you make enough phone calls.


 Yeah I agree, I think cashing out the crypto is smart, Isn't I'll keep asking around for other lenders!

Post: What would you do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Bjorn Ahlblad:

Just because a lender says ‘no’ does not mean you wii get the same reaction from another. 
You may need to approach many more to get a ‘yes’. All the best! Congrats on taking action. 


 Sweet I'll definitely keep asking around, Thank you for the advice!

Post: What would you do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Hey my Name is Nicholas, I'm running into a problem with financing, little bit of a backstory I've recently turned 19 and have been working in solar sales for the past year and before that I was working at a pizza place. I love real estate and everything about and have been listening to bigger pockets for about 3 years now coming up on 4. I am in Missouri right now staying in cheap hotels for work, I got out here a month or two ago and the plan has been to buy a property, preferably a duplex.

I did pretty well selling solar last year and have saved up some cash to use as a downpayment for the first property. I found a really good duplex that checks all the boxes and its at a great price only 120k, the other side is already rented out for 650 a month. I went and did a walk through and am ready to put in an offer I just cant figure out the financing. I have about 50k in crypto stuff, 21k in a Roth 401k, another 11k in some stocks and 9k in a checking. I also have a 740 and a 760 on credit karma. The problem Im running into is my work history. The lenders I've been talking with don't know if its possible just because I've been doing self employed work for only a year now and they want two, I've thought about a DSCR loan but I don't want to commit mortgage fraud. The seller of the property won't accept government loans as well so a FHA is out the window. I'd rather not ask my parents or family members to co-sign either

So the question is what would you do and recommend in my situation

Post: 18 years old, 50k cash, what would you do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Hello everyone, I posted on here a couple times a little over a year ago asking for some advice from many of you. I got lots of great feedback and support! most of it was to keep learning and studying real estate so when I do get into the game I'll be well prepared. kept watching the market and learning about real estate like many of you told me to do. I read a lot of books and watched lots of videos and listened to the bigger pockets podcast everyday of course. I just did some summer sales and did over 6 figures I put most of it away in a Roth 401k and some CD's. I have about 50k left over, I've been watching and waiting for some time now to get into the real estate game. I've had a goal for a couple years now to pick up my first property when I'm 18. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do that. I've been trying to figure out a way where I can qualify for financing, I know there is creative financing out there like seller financing and among other things. I just don't have consistent income, I have good credit for being 18, 740-760, but Is there any way you guys would go about this differently or any ideas that I just haven't thought of/learned about. Any feedback would be great!

Post: Looking for a real estate partner/Tips on finding one

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Hello, My name Is Nicholas, I'm 17 have been looking into real estate and investing through books and BP for a little bit over two years now, I will be an adult finally in April, so I can start building credit and apply for loans and such. I have about 33,000 in cash that has been saved up for the purpose of getting into real estate. 

Something that I keep thinking about is how hard its going to be for qualifying for a loan like a FHA as a 18 year old, I do have work history but my credit score will be brand new. my DTI should be around a 18-24% so thats nice, Co-signing is out of the picture, my parents have a perfect credit score and its just something they don't want to have to worry about. I would like to get some real estate rather soon as prices have been dropping, Things are "going on sale" as David Greene says and sellers are becoming more negotiable. Maybe be able to pick up a few seller financed property's would be amazing. I would like to take advantage of this opportunity while its still here, and we will probably still be in a buyers market for a bit but I would like to start investing ASAP.

So that brings me to partnering up with someone, BP has taught me that with partners it can happen a couple different ways. One can bring the finances and the other the deal, or even a mix of work like property management it can go a bunch of different ways. What I need is more on the finance side because I cant sign for anything or get a loan at this point in time. So I am looking for ways to find a partner or if anyone would like to talk some more about it that would be great as well. Ive been trying to attend local meet and greets but there aren't very many I can find. Id love to get started investing in real estate just looking for some help to get on track.

Thanks!

-Nicholas Stevenson

Post: 17 years old, I have about 28,000 cash on hand, What do I do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Thank you for everyone who chimed in! This was amazing and super helpful, Im thankful for everyone who put in the effort to reply, It means alot to me, Ive taken all your advice deeply and keep looking back over them as I continue to learn and improve my knowledge. Again thank you all it means the world to me

-Thanks!

-Nicholas

Post: I am 17 years old, I have 28,000 in cash, What do I do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Randall Alan:

@Nicholas Stevenson


So I applaud your enthusiasm!  But I think there are some holes in your plan around financing.   First, at 17, you can’t legally buy a house… so waiting till 18 is the first step.

It takes a lot more than having the money for the down payment to close a deal.  Banks want to know how they are going to be repaid.  What’s your credit score… it plays a role in your interest rate, and who will finance you.  You mention you are unemployed.  That’s a huge issue…as the bank wants you to have a debt to income ratio that lets you cover all your monthly expenses plus about another 20-30%.  They also look at your employment history… like for continuous employment…it’s a sign of stability.  It’s entirely possible you won’t find a regular lender who will write you a mortgage until you start to satisfy some of those types of risks.

You may say, "I'll use the income from the rental to help my DTI ratio out. Odds are the bank won't let you count it… at least not initially… they will want to see 1-2 years of rental history to count rental income - so they know it's consistent. They also know those units can sit empty - generating no income… maybe your tenant squats in the house and pays no rent and ties you up in court for 3-6 months… now how does the bank get there money? So they want you to have financial reserves.

As for BRRR…don't even think about it right now. For the Renovate step…. Where are you going to get your money? What if you misjudge the repair expense? Our latest flip just hit a $40,000 unanticipated cost! To put it in perspective, we will still clear 6 figures in profit… so that part isn't catastrophic.. more annoying! But how would you handle that if you put all your money into buying the property?

Wholesaling is a tough slog. The concept is easy enough, but the competition is fierce. We own about 40 rentals… we get 3 mailers and 3 phone calls a day (LITERALLY!!) wanting to buy our properties. You are competing with lots of experienced companies with dedicated marketing teams cold calling thousands of leads a day. You are literally a marketing company.  Expect lots of rejection - and when you do find a deal - you are frequently dealing with desperate people in desperate situations.  We have bought a number of wholesale deals… at the end of the day it was people in bad situations… divorces, people desperately trying to avoid foreclosures… and it tends to be people getting exploited to some degree all in the name of profit - not so much for them; but for you and your buyer.  (Not exactly the way they probably sell wholesaling, eh?

So what do you do? My first suggestion would be to partner with somebody. Adding another person to the team – even if it’s a family member – helps you overcome a lot of your shortcomings. Yes they will be essentially cosigning your deal, but it’s a small price to pay to be able to get started so young.  Plus if it’s a family member, you know you can trust them. 

You could also try to partner with somebody that has more experience… You just have to be really careful not to be the one who gets exploited as well! Definitely have a written agreement with whomever you partner with that spells out who’s contributing what, as well as how you will split any profits, etc., etc.

As for what I would recommend you buy, it would be probably a duplex that you could house hack as well. This would let you minimize your rent expense, and save up for your next deal.  If it is a pure rental property, having 2 renters  gives you a little assurance that if one side of the unit is empty, you can still earn income off the other side to help cover your expenses.  You definitely want to buy the property for a personal use scenario. Otherwise you would have to put 20 to 25% down on a pure investment property.  After 6 months you can move out and rent out both sides and look at buying another property for yourself (rinse & repeat.)

Again I applaud your enthusiasm, but you are going to suffer some of the consequences of being so young and lacking a lot of the things you need from an experience perspective (credit score, employment history, etc) in trying to get started in real estate.  Truthfully, I would probably encourage you to pursue a more traditional employment situation, while you make real estate your side hustle for the short term.  It will help you have a more desirable employment history and help you qualify with the banks.  We are also coming into this high interest rate environment, and it will probably be with us for a good bit. This makes it really difficult to be as successful as it was when interest rates were lower. The bank ends up making more money, and you end up making less due to the loan terms (high interest rates)

All the best!

Randy


 Thank you so much Randy, I really appreciate your advice and expertise on this subject. I think Partnering with someone would be awesome I have a few people in mind that are family friends of mine who have been mentoring me for a bit now, and I believe I could partner with them or even just have a close up on deals they do and they could show/walk me through them. Working as a real estate agent when I am 18 is the goal, being in the field and gaining experience would be ideal I believe. You're right about being so young and not having credit or experience under my belt. But I also am eager to learn and willing to put in the work. Thank you for your advice again, I greatly appreciate it and I know it'll help me along my journey!

Thanks!

-Nicholas

Post: I am 17 years old, I have 28,000 in cash, What do I do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Hello, my name is Nicholas,

Ive been interested in real estate investing for a while now, I've been wanting to become a real estate agent since I was 15. I graduated High school a year early, so I can focus more on reading books and learning about real estate investing. Im getting close to being 18 now in the spring, and I have saved up 28,000 in total, I worked a local fast food for 8 months and recently quit. As well as some other business ventures, I am currently unemployed, trying to get a job in a real estate type of environment so I can gain some more experience. As well as have a good work history for the banks. I don't know if thats possible because I am only 17, but the question I have is what I should do with the money I currently have.

Do I use it to get a duplex or a quadplex? (Using FHA)

Do the BRRRR Method on a property and recycle?

Ive thought about going into wholesaling recently, and I know there are other opportunities out there to do with real estate investing, but I don't know what the best course of action is. the market is kind of in a weird state right now, and I'm thinking about waiting 12-18 months before buying anything. Im still new to the game so I don't have experience under my belt. Any advice like what you would do in my situation would be greatly appreciated, Im just a kid looking to learn and do well in the real estate investing world.

P.S. If you know any jobs I can get started with in real estate as a 17 year old that would be greatly appreciated as well.

Thanks!

-Nicholas

Post: 17 years old, I have about 28,000 cash on hand, What do I do?

Nicholas StevensonPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Hello, my name is Nicholas,

Ive been interested in real estate investing for a while now, I've been wanting to become a real estate agent since I was 15. I graduated High school a year early, so I can focus more on reading books and learning about real estate investing. Im getting close to being 18 now in the spring, and I have saved up 28,000 in total, I worked a local fast food for 8 months and recently quit. As well as some other business ventures, I am currently unemployed, trying to get a job in a real estate type of environment so I can gain some more experience. As well as have a good work history for the banks. I don't know if thats possible because I am only 17, but the question I have is what I should do with the money I currently have.

Do I use it to get a duplex or a quadplex? (Using FHA)

Do the BRRRR Method on a property and recycle?

Ive thought about going into wholesaling recently, and I know there are other opportunities out there to do with real estate investing, but I don't know what the best course of action is. the market is kind of in a weird state right now, and I'm thinking about waiting 12-18 months before buying anything. Im still new to the game so I don't have experience under my belt. Any advice like what you would do in my situation would be greatly appreciated, Im just a kid looking to learn and do well in the real estate investing world.

P.S. If you know any jobs I can get started with in real estate as a 17 year old that would be greatly appreciated as well.

Thanks!

-Nicholas