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All Forum Posts by: Nicholas Aramouni

Nicholas Aramouni has started 3 posts and replied 6 times.

Hello all,

I’m just starting my investing journey, and I can’t seem to make sense - or clear distinctions-  between a Heloc and a cash out refinance…

In general, what are the differences between the two ? And also, what are the pros and cons to both?

Curious to know - The more details, the better !

Thank you in advance.




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Is your capital all cash or does it include other assets? What is your primary residence situation? Could you house hack and potentially only need to put down 3% on the first property? Or do you have enough equity in your primary residence to get a HELOC and use towards the 20% on both properties?


 Hello. It is all cash and house hacking is not a possibility since I’m investing outside my home town! Any perspectives here on the original question?

I would avoid the mortgage insurance costs and only purchase the first property for now. Sounds like you’re close to having enough capital for the second property shortly after, so why rush it and pay unnecessary costs. 
Thanks for this!
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Hello Community. 

This is my first post on BP, and I am excited to be here to contribute and learn from the community! I am beginning my investing journey soon and I know this is a great place to start. I've really had no real guidance in real estate investing outside my own pursuit of knowledge. So, I come here with a question, hoping for some additional guidance. Here is the scenario. 

I have enough capital to put down payments on my first two properties, which I plan on buying in early 2023. I am weighing my options between (1) putting a larger downpayment on my first purchase, to gain equity quickly and help ensure cash flow - then of course buying the second unit to follow. Or (2) putting a smaller downpayment on my first unit to maintain a 20% downpayment on my second unit. For (2) I would be able to lay down about 13-18% on my first unit. To summarize some essential elements.. It's important to mention that I live in Canada, and here, they tack on "default insurance" if you own less than 20% of a property. For the type of property I am looking at, it would tack on about 9-10K extra across the mortgage term.  I'm not using any creative financing techniques for these first two units, which means I will certainly be leveraging my income for my mortgage loan (this is why I am debating the importance of a 20% downpayment on the second unit, and eating some insurance costs in the process). 

I'm curious, which option would you choose, and what do you think the pros or cons would be of both? 

Excited to get some perspectives here. Thanks so much in advance for your thoughts!


 Btw in Canada, investment properties usually require 20% down from the big banks. Not sure about credit unions. I'm a fellow Canadian. 

yes this is true. What we were considering here was having my partner (who I don’t live with, just in reference to mortgage opportunities) buying the first unit and myself buying the second unit. We can apply separately for mortgages being that we aren’t common law or have a relationship on paper. I probably should have qualified this earlier in the question… what are your thoughts here. 

Love to see a fellow Albertan on here by the way :)  

Quote from @Dominick Johnson:

Is your capital all cash or does it include other assets? What is your primary residence situation? Could you house hack and potentially only need to put down 3% on the first property? Or do you have enough equity in your primary residence to get a HELOC and use towards the 20% on both properties?


 Hello. It is all cash and house hacking is not a possibility since I’m investing outside my home town! Any perspectives here on the original question?

Hello Community. 

This is my first post on BP, and I am excited to be here to contribute and learn from the community! I am beginning my investing journey soon and I know this is a great place to start. I've really had no real guidance in real estate investing outside my own pursuit of knowledge. So, I come here with a question, hoping for some additional guidance. Here is the scenario. 

I have enough capital to put down payments on my first two properties, which I plan on buying in early 2023. I am weighing my options between (1) putting a larger downpayment on my first purchase, to gain equity quickly and help ensure cash flow - then of course buying the second unit to follow. Or (2) putting a smaller downpayment on my first unit to maintain a 20% downpayment on my second unit. For (2) I would be able to lay down about 13-18% on my first unit. To summarize some essential elements.. It's important to mention that I live in Canada, and here, they tack on "default insurance" if you own less than 20% of a property. For the type of property I am looking at, it would tack on about 9-10K extra across the mortgage term.  I'm not using any creative financing techniques for these first two units, which means I will certainly be leveraging my income for my mortgage loan (this is why I am debating the importance of a 20% downpayment on the second unit, and eating some insurance costs in the process). 

I'm curious, which option would you choose, and what do you think the pros or cons would be of both? 

Excited to get some perspectives here. Thanks so much in advance for your thoughts!