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All Forum Posts by: Nick Vought

Nick Vought has started 8 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: 9th & 9th Single Family Gem

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Scott Trench:

Congrats! This seems like an awesome deal. 

Thanks Scott! Loved your book.  

Post: 9th & 9th Single Family Gem

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Salt Lake City.

Purchase price: $319,000
Cash invested: $25,000

Great little diamond in the rough. This 3 bed 2 bath 1100 sqft. house is in one of the most sought after areas in Salt Lake City in the 9th and 9th District. Mortgage is around $1,800 and am renting it out long term for $2,400!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Location location location... and the price was about 100k below the lowest priced homes that are selling in that area.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Was under contract. Kept checking on it, finally realtor told me the buyer didn't get there funds approved and let me send them my offer for asking.

How did you finance this deal?

Traditional Bank loan with 5% down.

How did you add value to the deal?

was already remodeled, no work was needed.

What was the outcome?

First made it AirBnB, added some nice furniture in there. The market for short term rentals in the area was pretty saturated, thought I would post it as a long term rental to see what feed back I would get and was able to find a renter for the great price I put it on there for.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

AirBnB by myself was a lot more work than I imagined it to be.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Chase Stam and Chris Randle from Realty One

Post: Holladay Duplex Apartment

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment in Holladay.

Purchase price: $535,000
Cash invested: $80,000

Bought this duplex for a little more then a wanted, but the location was too good to pass up. one of just a couple multifamily homes on the street. multiple million dollar homes on the same street. This duplex had a great layout and was able to rehab and rent towards a premium price you wouldn't get in most places. Also the possibility of airbnb, just 20 minutes from 3 ski resorts and just 20 min from downtown.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

MLS, got closing costs covered.

How did you finance this deal?

conventional

How did you add value to the deal?

updated bathroom, opened up wall between kitchen and living room

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Find a good loan officer...

Post: Selling High or Keeping a Great Property?

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7

I don't have enough equity to refinance now to pull anything substantial out. 

Post: Selling High or Keeping a Great Property?

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7

BP Family! 

I am reaching out to all of you to help me try to solve this cross road I am at. 

I currently own a Fourplex that I had purchased 2 years ago for 450k with an FHA Loan. I do not have a lot of equity in the property, but have updated one of the units. I am currently cash flowing about $1,200 with possibility for more when the other units are updated.

Right now in the Salt Lake City area properties similar to mine have been selling between 650k and 750k most of which do no get the amount of rents I get and our older properties. Side note this all being said, if I got an appraisal it would most likely come in closer to 550k-600k.

I have always wanted to do the BRRRR method to be able to purchase more properties faster.

So my question is this, should I keep the good property I have and just slowly try to purchase properties with money I have saved and private money OR should I sell my place and 1031 exchange into a property I can put 20% down, rehab, refinance and repeat?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Post: FHA House Hack Fourplex

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment in Bountiful.

Purchase price: $450,000

Cash invested: $20,000

Bought this fourplex with an FHA loan working on rehabbing the rest of the property to refinance and purchase another multi family or syndicate a deal.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Ready Rich Dad Poor Dad like most on here. Was drawn to the idea of financial freedom, and once I started researching properties and learning more I realized how much I loved doing it.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Found on MLS at time was under contract. Saw it had been under contract longer then normal and had my agent reach out to them. Turned out the buyer had backed out and if I put in an offer they wouldn't put it back on the market. Original asking price was 500k but only appraised for 450k. Since I was using and FHA the bank would only let me loan as much as it appraised. Lucky he was doing a 1031 exchange and had to sell very soon. We were able to negotiate the 450 deal and make it happen.

How did you finance this deal?

FHA Loan

How did you add value to the deal?

I was able to close on the property in 7 days

What was the outcome?

raised rents and now get $4,200 a month in rental income. I have a cash flow that pays for where I live now, and a great investment that only keeps going up in value.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Property managing is more difficult then expected. Rehabbing yourself using only youtube and your dads tools was probably the most challenging thing.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I did this deal solo, no mentor, I found the deal not my agent. Just because you are starting out doesn't mean you NEED to have help to do it. You can make it happen yourself with some good ol elbow grease.

Post: Seasonal Airbnb rentals (i.e. Park City, UT)

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7

Drew Whitehead Did you end up purchasing anything? I am also looking at purchasing a condo in Park City and using airbnb. if you did, I would love to hear about how its been going? 

Post: Multi-Family Refinancing/Strategy Question

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Jeff Kehl:

@Nick Vought let me suggest a different line of thinking. You just bought this property in March right? 3 months ago? Slow down a bit and focus on it before you move to the next step. Coming from me this is a bit ironic because I am always full-throttle 3-4 things going on at once but looking back I would have benefited by taking a chill-pill and focusing more. 

Is everything good at the property? Are the other 3 tenants happy? You asked about criteria for whether to update the other units. Forget the 'force appreciation' thing for a minute. Have you done an evaluation of them? What kind of shape are they in? Hvac, floors, paint, counters, cabinets,etc? Do they need upgraded? How are your tenants feeling? Do you think they want to stay? What is your primary competition and what rents are they charging?

Jeff this is probably just what I need to hear. I get caught up in creating this empire and I need to learn how to crawl before I can walk. 3 tenants love the apartment and its location. The other units are really in decent shape with a few minor things that need to be addressed. The units are a bit outdated and could definitely be updated. All the tenants want to stay. The average rent in the area is 950, there are a few multi family complexs that are asking for 875 but there location is not as good as mine and some of the larger apartments can go upwards of 1250 for the same unit sizes I have, 2 bed 1 bath around 950sqft. currently I am charging 875 a unit, but the unit I have renovated believe I can get 1100 or more for it. I just recently put an add for a roommate and had multiple people interested at 700 a month to rent out the room. 

 What value have you added?

I am planning on renovating all units and doing some exterior work such as new paint color, fencing, and some small tree planting.

I guess $112.5k rental units are a great deal in your area. But when you add $6k +labor to them are they worth much more? If I can bring the rents up from 875 to 1100/ 1125 and get $225/250 extra a month I will get that money invested back in about 2 years. That would also put me at the 1 percent rule, getting 4500 a month in rent on a 450000 purchased property.

Am I saying you should not work on the duplex angle? No, I personally would partner with you on it and put up the $50k down-payment if it were a good deal on purchase OR IF THE VALUE COULD BE CREATED. But no thinking person (which excludes the government) is going to support you buying another retail priced property.

I appreciate you post Jeff, and you're right. I will have to get creative on financing my next venture, but will try to set that aside and focus on this property till the right time comes. 

Post: Multi-Family Refinancing/Strategy Question

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7

I don't need 100% cash back just enough for a down payment on a duplex.

Post: Multi-Family Refinancing/Strategy Question

Nick VoughtPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @John Leavelle:

Howdy @Nick Vought

The primary thing you should do right now is determine the current ARV/Market Value of your property using good comps.

What if there are not a lot of comps in the area? That was problem we had with the original appraisal of the property. If I could bump the rents up from 875 each unit to 1200 each unit after they are all remodeled, would that effect the new appraisal? The few comps in the area are a little run down and smaller then my property and on the flip side of that there are other properties that are up to date but have a few more rooms/units.