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All Forum Posts by: Nick B.

Nick B. has started 47 posts and replied 1101 times.

Post: Newbie needs help with 12 unit

Nick B.Posted
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  • North Richland Hills, TX
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A first position lender (the one that provides 75% loan) would not likely loan you money if you don't have "skin in the game", i.e. down-payment. You may raise that money from investors in form of equity.

As for underwriting, I can recommend a great book that explains it all. "Buying and Selling Apartment Buildings" by Steve Burgess. 

Post: Newbie needs help with 12 unit

Nick B.Posted
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A lender would finance 75% of the purchase price. You need to come up with the other 25% plus closing costs and rehab money.

You need to learn how to underwrite properties before thinking of buying them.

Post: How to evaluate return on Apt building.

Nick B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Dan T.:

I'm sure the company wouldn't appreciate me loading the presentation. All good questions you have and something I'm more versed in. The actual projected returns is my weak part. 

I've had a less than 1% vacancy is this market on another building so I think 3% is safe. And I assume they factor payroll using their inhouse property management co. but I agree I'd probably 2-3x that. 

If this is 506c offering, they will be glad you've published it. What if they gain more investors that way?

Post: How to evaluate return on Apt building.

Nick B.Posted
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Yes, IRR. Although ARR (average or annual rate of return) can also be used.

A few thoughts:

  • They want to double the rents. What are the current and market rents?
  • What is the unit mix?
  • Where is this property located?
  • Economic vacancy of 3% on top of the double rent is very low
  • Payroll of $14-15K is also low. Not even a part-timer would work for that

If I were you I would post the entire investor presentation

Post: How to evaluate return on Apt building.

Nick B.Posted
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  • North Richland Hills, TX
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Is this you proforma or somebody else's? Either way, P&L portion is missing. Without it, there is nothing to analyze.
21% ARR is great if you can get it. However, see above.

Post: MF - good deal or not? Help.

Nick B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Daniel Jenkins:
Very helpful, Nick. I guess the thing I'm struggling with a bit is determining the purchase cap rate. I will speak to a lot of local brokers to get their input but is their feedack is that typical cap rates for this type of asset in this fringe location are 5% does that then mean that my purchase price of ~$1M is too high. Am I overpaying for the in place cash flow?

Like I said before, purchase cap rate is not that important. You need to start from your exit value and work your way back to the purchase price:

  • Take current market rents and adjust them for 5 years hold (e.g. apply 3% annual growth). That's your future gross income
  • Take current expenses, adjust them for your situation (e.g., property taxes may go up), and then project their growth in 5 years.
  • Subtract future expenses from future gross rents and get future NOI.
  • Divide future NOI by future cap rate and get future value.
  • Subtract selling expenses, buying expenses, rehab money, and expected capital gains from the future value. The result is your offer price.

Post: MF - good deal or not? Help.

Nick B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Daniel Jenkins:
Originally posted by @Nick B.:

You did not mention expenses and financing. 

Rehab cannot be zero unless it's a brand new building. You need to bugget for unit upgrades up front and have that money available when a unit becomes vacant. 

Budget at least $5K/unit for a light rehab. 

The cap rate for this deal is between 4 and 5% depending on the expenses. Is it at, above, or below market? You need to ask local apartment brokers to for market cap rates. 

Very helpful indeed. Thanks, Nick. I don’t have to much insight to the exact condition of each unit as I haven’t walked each but holding a reserve is a very good idea. 

I’ll certainly check with local brokers but A cap rate of 4-5% seems quite aggressive give the fact it’s on the outskirts of a suburb of charlotte. For my first deal in MF it doesn’t feel like there’s all that much upside and might tie up a lot of capital that could perhaps generate a better return faster elsewhere? 

Cap rates going in are almost meaningless. What makes a difference is an exit cap rate. If similar properties continue to sell at 4.5% cap rate in 5 years and your NOI grows to $100K, you may reasonably plan your exit at 5% cap rate and get $2M upon exit.

If market cap rates increase to 7% you're sill in good shape at $100K NOI but not so much if your NOI is below $70K.

Can you grow NOI to $100K? That depends on how much you can increase rents and how you control expenses.

Post: MF - good deal or not? Help.

Nick B.Posted
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  • North Richland Hills, TX
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You did not mention expenses and financing. 

Rehab cannot be zero unless it's a brand new building. You need to bugget for unit upgrades up front and have that money available when a unit becomes vacant. 

Budget at least $5K/unit for a light rehab. 

The cap rate for this deal is between 4 and 5% depending on the expenses. Is it at, above, or below market? You need to ask local apartment brokers to for market cap rates. 

Post: Sample deal package for investors

Nick B.Posted
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Why do you need a sales history for a sample package? Or even for a real package? What a subject property sold for is irrelevant and showing that history may spook investors when they see that the price keeps going higher and higher.

Post: Best books for multifamily active investor. First investment.

Nick B.Posted
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"Buying and Selling Apartment Buildings" by Steve Burgess