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All Forum Posts by: Nathanael Tinaya

Nathanael Tinaya has started 2 posts and replied 6 times.

Quote from @Albert Hasson:

Silly post.  How many rentals one needs really depends on their lifestyle expectations and expenses.

I agree, the amount of rentals one needs depends on their lifestyle expectations and personal expenses. I’d disagree that it was a silly post. Not sure if your intention was to be arrogant and belittling, but it kinda came across that way. Not all of us are seasoned investors. Some of us (myself included), have a lot to learn from seasoned investors and people like Coach Carson, who, I believe, has thoughtful, valuable content that gets to the heart of the matter, especially for us newbies: lifestyle design and freedom to do what matters. BTW, Coach Carson, if you’re reading, I appreciate your content BIG TIME! I’ve listened to your podcasts when I can, on and off shift at my fire department, and it has helped offer guidance and proper perspective. I’m a broke firefighter, trying to make positive moves forward, struggling to get by… but I’m hoping, not for long tho! LOL. Content like yours serves others in a positive way and I thank you. My goal is to take the collective knowledge I’m learning, apply it to my life and then share it with my fellow first responders. Who knows, maybe with the whole 1st Responder community (Think Big!). We absorb a great deal of stress and if I can help share financial tactics and strategies that work and that alleviate some of that domestic stress… man, that’d be rewarding. So… if you ever wanted to partner with a newbie and help transform his life so he can help transform the lives of others… let me know! I’d be aggressive and committed and happy to be your Guinea Pig! Thanks and Keep up the good work!

Post: How do I find funding for 5 Duplexes with value-add potential

Nathanael TinayaPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Polk County, FL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

This might be a little naive and simplistic, but in your opinion, what would be the numbers that would make you say “Yes deal” vs “No deal”?

Is there a specific NOI or Cap rate minimum that would make you say yes vs no? Thanks.

Post: How do I find funding for 5 Duplexes with value-add potential

Nathanael TinayaPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Polk County, FL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

Chris John,

Thank you for the reflections. Those are very valid thoughts. 

As a firefighter, we have to do “dangerous things carefully”; we can’t avoid risk, we must mitigate it. We have to bring a sense of caution and aggressive action depending on the circumstances or nature of the emergency. 
I see investing very similarly to firefighting. Being an investor is inherently risky too, but you have to mitigate risk and adjust accordingly.

As a new REI, I'm still learning what questions to ask to mitigate risk and capitalize on potential upside. Thank you for posing those questions. Good food for thought.

Post: How do I find funding for 5 Duplexes with value-add potential

Nathanael TinayaPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Polk County, FL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

Thank you, Jim and Jim, for replying.

I’ve reached out to the current property manager requesting the information my lender is requiring which is:

- 2021 and 2022 YTD P&L and/or T12 P&L (depending on what the broker has.)
- current rent roll

- Link to the property listing

I’ve sent the link to the property listing to the lender and am now waiting for the other documents, so I can relay them to the lender.

I have not gotten the property appraised yet, but that is a great question I could ask the listing agent. Perhaps it’s been recently appraised on his end, that would at least give me a rough estimate of valuation.

Thanks for the comments.

Any other thoughts or suggestions are welcomed.

Post: How do I find funding for 5 Duplexes with value-add potential

Nathanael TinayaPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Polk County, FL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

Hi. My name is Nate, from central Florida. I’m a Firefighter/EMT, aspiring to acquire cash producing assets with the hope creating financial independence and financial freedom. 
I've been following BiggerPockets and reading REI books for a couple years and really want to do my first deal with a desire to apply economies scale, sooner than later. (As Brandon Turner says, "don't be afraid of commas".)
I’m actively looking for a REI mentor to share investing/acquisition knowledge so that I can share what I learn with my fellow first responders. Working 48 and 72 hour shifts in a row to “get ahead” is just not sustainable anymore. I need to find a better way, as do my fellow brothers and sisters.

Here’s the deal I’m currently looking at, as provided by the listing agent and new property manager:

5 Duplexes sitting on 2.57 acres, corner lot, city sewer and water, in a tertiary market (3,500 population, strong local history of agriculture and phosphate mining), about an hour south of Disney (Orlando), built in 2019, block construction with metal roofs, 825 sq ft each unit, 2 bed/1 bath, currently 100% occupied. So, 10 units in total, current rent is $830 a month. That’s $8,300 a month, $99,600 annually. Monthly expenses are super low: $350 for lawn maintenance and $150 for miscellaneous, for a total of $500. Tenants pay utilities, there’s little to no Cap Ex as it’s recently built. The property is bank owned by a bank in California. Asking price: $1.0 million.

Many of the tenants have relatives (parents, aunts and uncles) who live in SFH on the same and neighboring streets, so there's a strong sense of local community.
There’s significant value-add potential: 1) increase rents 2) potential to build 5 more duplexes on the existing property, PLUS all impact fees have already been paid. 

It was previously owned/managed by a “mom and pop” operation that did not keep good records. The new property manager is professional, but is having difficulty acquiring the necessary documentation for me to submit it to lenders. The lender says I’d have to put down 20%-30%. I have yet to receive anything after multiple requests. The lender I’m speaking with needs these documents, otherwise they say I’d have to pay cash (which I obviously don’t have.)

Net pro’s vs cons: I think this deal has significant potential to be a good 1st deal, especially with the value add potential. Not too big, not too small. I just want to get in the game, get my feet wet and hands dirty. It probably wouldn’t appreciate as well as in a primary or secondary market, but that’s ok, as long as it cash flows. 
Potential strategy/exit strategy: 1) keep it as a long term buy and hold and pull equity in the future to buy new deals OR 2) sell it and do a 1031 exchange, leveling up next time to buy a bigger asset. 

Personally. Emotions aside, if the numbers work, I’d want to buy it. But how?

My questions are:

1) Would you consider this a good deal? Why?

2) What's the wisest way to acquire funding for this deal? Down payment and commercial loan? (Hard money lender, ask family to jointly pull a HELOC?)

3) What’s the next best step? 

I don’t own any property at this time. I’ve attempted to purchase my first home the past 2 years, but have been unsuccessful in this highly competitive market.
My parents own there own home, but it’s old and in need of repair. It probably appraises for $150,000. Not enough equity for 20-30% down. 
My grandmother owns her own home on the water in Key West and although it’s old, it appraises for $950,000. 
I'd be willing to ask her to do a joint HELOC if it's a good deal but some of my family might advise her not to as I'm not a experienced real estate investor.

I want to be proactive, find positive solutions and make wise investments. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions are welcomed. 

Thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts.

Best Regards,


Nate Tinaya 


Post: Highest and best use for a Historic 5B/5B home

Nathanael TinayaPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Polk County, FL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

Hi. Newbie investor here. Brainstorm with me!

What would you do?!… 

A seller financed, red brick central Florida historic home, built in 1923, in an established Historic neighborhood (5bd/5ba, 4,000 sq ft) on a double lot with a detached garage and second floor apartment above the garage. Neighborhood was home to mayors, governors and other elected officials.
For sale by owner, on the market for over 340 days.
Seller is asking $825K, but could potentially be negotiated down to $650K-$700K? He'd entertain a one year contract followed by a balloon payment, structured into a typical mortgage. Kitchen is updated, however, electrical, plumbing, roof is not. ARV could be anywhere from $1-$1.5 million, depending, maybe more?... Located in an appreciating market.
Location is near downtown, with great restaurants nearby, museums (specifically a world famous architect), a level 2 Trauma hospital and 3 different universities. City is growing.

Given no issues with permitting, management or funding, how could this be a profitable investment? 


What value add projects would you do to force value?

Would you add a nice, luxurious pool? A duplex (if allowed by code)?
(The city is favorable to STR/Airbnb.)

Airbnb? 

A boutique boarding house for single, working professionals?

What would be your strategy?

Excellent general contractor and property management team available. 

Trying to explore RE investment options that would produce solid ROI. Thanks for reading and sharing your input! Many blessings to all.