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All Forum Posts by: Natalie Allen

Natalie Allen has started 5 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4

@Aaron K.

You're right about not everything cash flowing.  I haven't found one yet! I'll keep searching.

Thank you for your expertise!

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4

@Aaron K., @Tim Herman

I put the offer price to 200K because the listed price of 299K was way to high to get the numbers to work for this property.  I thought by putting the offer price and 200K the numbers would work better:) The return was still in the negative which is why I was wondering if I was doing something wrong. I would have to look into the utilities as I am not 100% sure on who would be responsible for those.

I am not sure I am seeing a lot of cash flow myself, which is why I wanted to double check and make sure I wasn't missing anything.

Also, this lot has 2 homes so I am assuming that I would have to put 20% down and not 5%?  The interest rate would probably be higher as well?

Thank you in advance.


Be well,

Natalie

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4

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*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Garret Jones:

@Natalie Allen

Nice report! It's clear you spent time thinking through things diligently, especially your expenses. 

A few thoughts that come to mind:

@Guifre Mora I believe is right when he's challenging you to think about a 5% down payment at 3.6% for an investment property. It might be possible for you to get those terms with seller financing, which would be awesome! From what I've learned, sellers that will do seller financing typically want paid back in full after 3-10 years, so keep that in mind in your offer. Would you be willing to sell the property or refinance it with a traditional bank at a given point? Just a simple phone call with mortgage officer at a bank (or a few) should help clarify how much you'll need for a down payment and what interest rate you might receive - or at what point a bank would be willing to help you refinance. 

-I got pumped reading that the numbers didn't work at the asking price, so you're trying to find the purchase price that it would work at. Comps in the area should help you get a better idea of what the ARV is, and comps are a big factor in refinancing with banks too.

-If you go seller financing, you can drop the PMI expense. If you go bank financing instead and the property is just an investment property where you're required to put 20-25% down, then you can also drop PMI! A nice way to shave off $100!

-Are utilities on separate meters where it would be easy to charge tenants and have them pay for the costs directly?

-How old is the house, and what repairs might be needed that leads you to have 7% for both repairs and capex each month? 7% for both seems aggressive, unless the home is super old and needs new plumbing, electrical, roof, HVAC, etc. soon. I typically go with 5% for both repairs and CapEx.

-By having tenants pay for water & sewer, electric, gas, and garbage and by dropping PMI, this property could be great if you got those terms for seller financing. After speaking with a mortgage officer, maybe re-run numbers for both seller financing and traditional financing and see which one works best for you!

Congrats on taking steps to learn!

This. Is. Awesome! 
1. In my original report I put 5% down at 3.5% because I was unfamiliar with the terms of multi family house hacking (residential loan) vs an investment (commercial loan) as I would not be living in the home. I figured this out after a response I got off of this feed. Yes!!

2. The full story, and I will make it short, is I am looking to purchase a home to use as my primary residence and run a tailoring business out of. As I was doing more research I discovered that this triplex was right next door and was for sale by the same owner! My original plan was to buy one house not two. I am learning very quickly that things DO NOT always happen they way you see them happening:) Soooo, I want to finance the SFR, and then get this triplex as an investment possibly through seller financing and better terms. My goal for 2020 was to get an investment property (SFR, duplex, triplex).

Question: What would be the advantage of refinancing with the bank if the seller actually agreed to finance? Rather than 3-10 years, the banks may have longer terms? Keep throwing any suggestions my way as I am eating this up!!

3. I am currently waiting to hear back on whether or not the utilities were separate for each unit. I plan on going to the house today to take a another look.

4. The house was built in 1909. I usually do the 5% for repairs and capex, but received advice to increase the two due to the age of the home🤷🏼‍♀️

I’ve really enjoyed this feedback. Very grateful🙏🏻

Be well,


Natalie

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Guifre Mora:
Originally posted by @Natalie Allen:

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*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Under the current lending conditions have you secured a 5% down payment 3.6% rate on an investment property?

You are @ LTC 99.4%, LTV 95%, DSCR 1.16%.

Property Value $382,500 in the first year with the current contraction? 

Where does the 100K in equity come from without any added value or rehab? 

You are over-leveraged under the current market. 



@Guifre Mora

You are absolutely correct. I am still learning obviously! It would be 10% down with a 4.5% rate.  I'm in the process of trying to get seller financing for the terms I mentioned above.   I did not realize that if I were not house hacking and living in the home, it would fall under investment terms for a loan.

The property is listed at $350,000.  After editing this report several times, I am realizing that making an offer of 350k is not feasible. The numbers are not working out.

And I have not idea what all of this means => 'You are @ LTC 99.4%, LTV 95%, DSCR 1.16%.' Always excited to learn new things! Looks like I have some work to do!

Honestly, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to help a newbie out.

Be well,

Natalie



 

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4
onOriginally posted by @Jaysen Medhurst:

Hi @Natalie Allen, a few questions/comments about this. Clearly, you're looking to househack, which is a great way to start.

  • Does your rental estimate include the owner unit or not? Run the numbers both ways, with you living there and fully rented as a pure investment property.
  • Vacancy might be a bit low. I use 8% for MFR, but this is super local.
  • CapEx and Repairs are low. I suggest 15% combined. While the pictures look good, this place is 100+ years old.
  • You're forgetting Management (10%) in your analysis. Always include, even if you plan to self-manage at first.
  • What does the HOA cover?
  • What about water/sewer, lawn care, and snow removal?
  • What's the deal with the hot tub? Looks like a big unnecessary expense and liability.
  • Is electric split? The listing doesn't say and I can't tell from the pictures.
  • I only see 2 gas meters, but there are 3 units. Sort that out.

I posted an updated Calculator pdf that I couldn't figure out how to get on this feed. Quick summary, I would not be living in the rental. I increased the cap ex and repairs to 15% total. I don't think there is an HOA even though it states that there is. Hot tub wasn't not my favorite in a rental also. At first I thought the utilities were split, which is why I didn't add them in at first. I think they are all separate after walking the home. I also added the management fee at 10%. Long story short, I put the offer at 275K and not the 350K.

Monthly Income: Monthly Expenses: Monthly Cash Flow: Pro Forma Cap Rate:
$3,200.00           $3,004.76              $195.24                  4.43%
NOI Total Cash Needed Cash on Cash ROI Purchase Cap Rate
$16,596.00         $25,750.00             9.10%                      6.03%

How are people purchasing these properties at full price? Am I missing something?

Thank you for your time and expertise!

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4

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*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4

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*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Post: Industrial Mixed Use zoning

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4

Does anyone have any knowledge regarding Industrial mixed use properties and lending options? I would like to use this property as my primary residence and run a tailoring business out of it as well. Is it possible to get a residential loan for this type of zoning?

Thank you in advance!

Natalie

Post: Industrial- mixed use zoning

Natalie AllenPosted
  • Spokane WA (spokane, wa)
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 4

We are currently trying to purchase a SFH that is zoned as Industrial- mixed use. We want this to be our primary residence, but operate a small Tailoring business out of. We spoke with the City and they told us that if the house were to burn down it would be covered at 80% with ‘some flexibility'. Our lender was trying to get us a conventional loan with only 5% down, which was ideal! The appraisal cancelled due to the zoning and said we would need a commercial loan. I would love to find a way to go conventional as we will be living there as our primary residence. Anyone have any advice or have much experience with this type of zoning? Is it even possible to go the conventional route? Would it be worth getting another appraisal?

Thanks in advance!

Natalie