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All Forum Posts by: Ralph R.

Ralph R. has started 9 posts and replied 1172 times.

Post: How To Pay Yourself From Your Properties

Ralph R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bethel, AK
  • Posts 1,209
  • Votes 852

@Patrick Johnson you have hit the nail on the head. RR

Post: How To Pay Yourself From Your Properties

Ralph R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bethel, AK
  • Posts 1,209
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@Mark Beeson. I just re financed 4 properties and sold one. I put about 150 k in the bank tax free there's no income tax on a loan. The payments on the four re-fis went up about 300 a month overall but went from 25 yr amortizations with balloons to 30 year ams and no balloons. I took some of the proceeds and bought another unit all cash that produces about 400 a month cash flow, and I will use some of it to pay off my storage units for another 600 a month CF. That left me around15k to spend. One of the re-fi's was my primary I bought last year. That payment dropped $200 a month. At the end of the day I picked up another 6-700 a month cash and had 15k left over. The payments for the new loans are all being made by the tenants in those houses and I'm making more than I was before. The house you spoke of with 300k equity that cash flows 173 a month needs managed or sold. It's netting .006% a year or 2000 a year. The 300k is losing buying power ( the time loss of money) at a rate of .02% or about $6000 a year. Unless the house is going up in value faster than that the property is loosing about $4,000 a year. That's how financing can help you out when the market is hot. I don't use HELOC's. I use cash out re-fis and either Portfolio loans or conventional's. I'm 66 and try to keep my global leverage pretty low so as to keep my cash flow a little higher. A younger man probably could go with a little higher loan to value ratio in order to grow his portfolio. RR

Post: How To Pay Yourself From Your Properties

Ralph R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bethel, AK
  • Posts 1,209
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@Robert Nelson. Umbrella policy's are easier and less complicated than LLC's. I didn't form an LLC until I had several properties. I used the Umbrella insurance approach. RR

Post: How To Pay Yourself From Your Properties

Ralph R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bethel, AK
  • Posts 1,209
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@Cody Malave Cody LLC's are only one part of protecting personal assets. They do have a maintenance cost and are sort of a pain in the neck when it comes to loans and such. Another and maybe better way to protect personal assets when you are starting out is with an umbrella policy or by increasing your liability insurance on each house. This is relatively cheap to do. In the overall scheme of things my personal assets (boat,car, toys, and cash on hand,etc) are much smaller than the equity in my rentals. This is done on purpose me thinks. Remember a lawsuit cannot get the portion of the asset owned by the bank. Proper leverage management helps this as well. You have to be very careful with leverage but at the same time fully paid for properties are targets. There is a fine line there. Lots of people worry about getting sued but it seems to me that in realestate the ones that get hit with lawsuits that are bigger than the liability insurance on the property did something to be sued for. RR

@Matthew McNeil. There's been a whole lot of smoke blown around on this thread. Mostly by PMs trying to sell a bill of goods but nobody has given an example of how it benefited an owner in a law suit or even benefited the PM in a actual lawsuit. Lots of theory but no real life story. That's how you separate the experienced from the new guy. The new guy can talk about it but has nothing that backs it up The truth is the lawyer targets the money (or goal) before he files the suit. The house and LLC it's in have value and the insurance policy has value. What some of the PM's on here are doing is making themselves a target for suit because in order to collect all the money from the insurance company they HAVE to name the PM who is riding the shirttails of the liability policy. Something else that's missing here is that many land lords use Umbrella insurance policy's to add additional protection. somebody was talking about a 1.1 million dollar settlement. News flash most commercial policy's provide 150-300k liability coverage. If you get hit with a 1.1 million settlement most likely you will come up way short. That's where the umbrella comes in. They usually require an increase in the primary liability from the standard 150-300k to 500k or more. Then they insure against all claims above the primary insurance maximum. The Pm has access to this insurance as well as the owner but he has to pay for it himself. Mine for 10 units used to run about 450 a year, plus the added cost to raise the limit on the primary coverage. (Less than $50 a year per unit one of mine was done at no charge). The only thing you are doing by adding the PM as an insured is cutting your own benifit in half, saving him the few dollars he would have to pay to get his own umbrella policy, and adding him as a target to be named in the suit. Check with your insurance agent. You don't have a million dollars in liability unless you expressly added it when u bought the policy. I understand Loyalty to your PM. I fired one after 10 years. It was for other reasons but you have to remember we are all running a business it's not a social gathering. You HAVE to protect your interests. Splitting you insurance benefit with your PM probably isn't doing that. RR. @Ricardo R. I live in Colorado now and have for 2 years. I self manage my storage units and 3 of my properties. I know full well what you guys deal with. Cash flow on a rental property is a highly debatable item on this website, and many feel comes in second to appreciation or value add opportunities. The PM has little or nothing to do with cash flow. It's set at purchase by the way the property is financed, price paid, market rents, property condition, and many other factors way out of your control but in the control of the owner when he bought it. quite frankly the PM has little or nothing to do with it. I use them because it's easier to manage 2 or 3 PM's than 30 or forty properties. If you check out an IRR calc. You will see the real money is in the back end not the cash flow. Granted in some places cash flow is all your ever going to get and in that case a PM that can save you a few dollars on a plumber is helping your cash flow. RR

Post: Seamless Self-Directed IRA Syndication Investment?

Ralph R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bethel, AK
  • Posts 1,209
  • Votes 852

@Joseph Firmin. Mine is with Equity Trust. I’ve had very good experiences with them. My wife owns a rental in hers and I own a triplex and campground with mine. Highly recommend them.

@Ricardo R. As you gain experience you will see this.

@Ricardo R. Too much science. And I have too much salt for it. Lead based paint disclosures are reguired by the state in Colorado. My portfolio contains 16 units in 3 cities and was started 12 years ago. I put it together from Alaska 3000 miles away from the properties. I can tell you that in the early years of a property the PM makes as much or more than the owner. If you read this thread from top to bottom several people have had opinions one way or another on this subject. You have blamed the tenant the owner and everybody else. There’s not a straight answer anywhere. How many lawsuits have you actually incurred?? I very seldom see anything on here about lawsuits. You say the tenant always sues the PM but the reality is the lawyer advises them who to sue. Most tenants struggle financially and a lawyer is expensive. As you gain experience

@Guy Gimenez. I agree. I wouldn’t want a PM that was that paranoid managing my properties. RR

@Peter T. @Ricardo R. Anything is possible I guess. One of my PM’s manages over 700 properties. He apparently feels safer as he does not require being attached to my insurance. The other manager is smaller but also has no such requirement. I would probably not use either one if they had such a requirement. It’s not up to the property owner to provide protection to his PM. Liability insurance is very cheap. Most minimums are 150-300k. I always increase this to 500k, and it adds very little to the premium. I doubt if it’s that expensive but I do wonder if some insurance company’s would balk at it. It’s not the costs I’m concerned with here. It’s the fact of the PM assuming that I as an owner have done something that he’s going to get sued for. I’m not comfortable having a company that feels that way representing my interests. If I trust him with my $100,000 house I would expect him to trust my past maintenance decisions, as well as his own inspection of the property. If he can’t do that I probably would try and find another PM. RR