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All Forum Posts by: Mark Werner

Mark Werner has started 3 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Overwhelmed with applicants

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2

@Joe Fairless Thanks for the response Joe. I know many people here have told me to increase my rent. The property is in the New River Valley, VA area (Radford, Christiansburg, Blacksburg). I don't know that it is priced too low. I asked a realtor what she thought before I advertised it and she suggested $200 less a month than I advertised it for. I actually advertised it just for kicks while I had it listed for sale. I didn't expect to get much response at all. I wish I had 4 more of them to rent. The rental rate seems to be in line with other properties around the area.

Post: Overwhelmed with applicants

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Joe Fairless:

@Mark Werner congrats on having so much demand - and will you be raising rents for future tenants? Just curious, what market is your property in? 

Post: Overwhelmed with applicants

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2

@Shawn Holsapple Great advice, Shawn. Thank you!

Post: Overwhelmed with applicants

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Shawn Holsapple:

@Mark Werner - all good points above.  Yes, for sure raise your rent.

In addition, I always have my leases expire at the end of April.  This ensures you have plenty of time to re-rent it once its vacant before winter.  So, if someone signs a lease for June 1, 2015 - it will expire April 30, 2017.  Even if you have to offer a small tenant concession, it's worth it.

Speaking of concessions - I offer something small [like a ceiling fan or one room of custom color paint] for them to sign another term once the current lease is about to expire.

Also, I assume/hope you have a rock solid lease.  Don't make the mistake of grabbing one off of rocket lawyer or borrowing your buddies lease.  I'd recommend spending the money and get one drawn up by a local, investor friendly, attorney to ensure you have all the laws covered.

Don't forget that YOU are the one giving them the keys to your house when they trash the place in a few months.  Waiting a few extra weeks/months for a great tenant vs taking one that is just okay now will come back to haunt you [ask me how I know!].

And finally, I learned this from Mike Butler.  As a final part of the application process, go to their current home.  Tell them you are just confirming their current address [you will surprised how many don't put the correct address down].  While you're there, try to get invited in or at least peak in and ask yourself this one simple question: "If they offered to make you a bologna sandwich, would you each it?"  This is a great filter and works very well - because this is what your home is going to look/smell like in just a few weeks/months.

There is not fair housing rules against discriminating against total pigs!

Post: Overwhelmed with applicants

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2

Hello all. I am curious to know from the long time, experienced landlords, how do you approach a situation with numerous applicants or potential applicants? I am new and still learning, and especially learning a lot from the good people t this website. I initially listed my first rental and was overwhelmed with potential applicants. Unfortunately I selected one that I believed would be a good choice (prior to getting application or deposit) and removed my ad. That potential tenant turned out to be a not so good choice. Some of you may have read my forum on that.

Now, I have the same problem again. Do you let them all complete an application and collect application fee and deposit from all of them, then do your background and credit checks, and then select your best candidate based on everything? Or do you screen one potential candidate at a time?

I don't know. I just find myself feeling kind of guilty collecting application fee and then having to tell people they were not selected, then they are out the $30. Or am I being over sensitive? Do potential tenants know and expect they might be out the application fee (I know it say's right on my application "non-refundable")? Or do the applicants who are not accepted get upset wanting their application fee back?

I am just wondering how the screening process is approached by those of you who are experienced in ding this. I know it is a good problem that I have and I wish I had about 3 or 4 more of these townhouses.

Thank you very much!

Mark

Post: Potential Tenant Refusing Application Process

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2

@Account Closed I am certain it works both way. We hear about horrible landlord stories quite often outside of forums like this. Probably more so than we hear horrible tenant stories. No one is excluded. Society is evolving into a place where you aren't able to trust anyone. And that is really too bad. We've really lost our way.

Post: Potential Tenant Refusing Application Process

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2

@Account Closed Thank you Marie. I do intend to reach out to some people that had inquired in the past. One couple seemed really nice and were coming to work on the faculty at the University and wanted to lease it for possibly 5 years - and were overly gracious with offering me whatever I might need to approve them. I chose to select someone local, thinking I could trust him, though I never received any security deposit, application fee, or completed application. The other couple contacted me and told me how beautiful my place was and they really wanted it but they found something else. Still , as you say, it cannot hurt to try. I re-listed it last night and someone is coming to view it tonight. Someone is coming to view it tomorrow too. And again, both seem willingly to adhere to the application process. Right now I am just a bit gun shy to deal with anyone or believe anyone right now. Thanks again @Account Closed for the words of encouragement.

Post: Potential Tenant Refusing Application Process

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Nicole Jones:

Is anyone else creeped out by the fact this guy found his potential landlord and this post on BP?

@Mark Werner 

Don't lose faith in being able to manage your property yourself. You just got a really bad apple. But hey, if you do happen to lose faith in managing then look into professional property management but don't ever let the weirdos make you lose faith in REI altogether. This is a very odd situation.

 @Nicole Jones

Yes, I am creeped out. And it was like at 1:30 AM. Creeped out, freaked out, you name it. Especially with information I have been able to obtain since. Pretty scarey. "This is a very odd situation". I am glad to hear that because I thought so. My family thought so. My lawyer thought so. My realtor thought so. Everyone on here seems to think so. Though I have nothing to compare it to as it has been my only situation in REI.

I suppose rule #1 in being a landlord. Do not trust anyone under any circumstances. It is just disappointing. I guess a good learning lesson for me going forward.

Thank you for taking the tie to respond and offer advice and encouragement @Nicole James

Post: Potential Tenant Refusing Application Process

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Aaron Mazzrillo:
Originally posted by @Mark Werner:

Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond. They are the responses I expected but I just wanted to give myself a piece of mind that I was being unreasonable. I am a beginner at this and this is my first rental. That is my luck. I did not feel comfortable about even though he seemed like a good guy - until I was expressing being uncomfortable not doing the background and credit check. My ad say's "credit check required". Thanks again everyone. I appreciate the feedback.

 I'm so glad you clarified that this is your first rental. Here is a great philosophy for you: If you can't afford to keep it vacant, you can't afford to keep it. 

You are the landlord. YOU are lord of the land. The tenant must play by your rules. Any resistance is an automatic denial.

 @Aaron Mazzrillo Thank you for taking the time to provide feedback and offering your advice. I can afford to keep it vacant. Though as I am sure you know, that is not my goal. I am just disappointed that I was mislead, or being attempted to be mislead and taken advantage of - especially on my first go around. A sign of things to come? I had several other valid potential tenants begging me to lease it to them, offering my deposits without even asking, providing me their information without me asking for it, filling out rental applications they already had and sending them to me before I could even send them my rental application. I turned them all away. No I am back at square one. This potential tenant indicated to me that he was willing to complete any application process I had, but really never had that intention at all. Just disappointing. 

Thanks for taking the time to provide feedback and advice.

Post: Potential Tenant Refusing Application Process

Mark WernerPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Radford, VA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 2

Thank you everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it. It helps me a lot. I am surprised that the potential tenant had posted comments on this forum questioning everyone's feedback to me. I feel bad about that and I apologize. It sounds as though he may have moved on though.

For my first experience at my first go at this, I don't know how everyone does this with any sanity. I am reluctant to review any more potential tenants.

Thank you again everyone for your valuable feedback.