Yeah i want to buy this flip now and try staining that brick
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Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!
Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!
This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.
This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.
This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business.
My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?
If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.
I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you
I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.
And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.
Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.
Two things come to mind when I read your response:
1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.
2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.
Can you answer the message I sent you please?
You're a kid. So take a lesson, from an elder.
Don't engage back, sometimes the most powerful instrument is silence. The world will go round and shape one's that push back. It always happens, maybe not today or tomorrow but it'll come. Trust me you don't go through no highs, without dealing with some lows. This dude is on a trip-- a power one thinking he's making a movement too. **** out of here with that thinking.
Let him bark at you, just keep strolling by. Don't send him a message or engage in his ********. He thinks he's on top of something and degrading you, you don't give your time to folks that disrespect you. Give your time to the game. What you did is fine, it wasn't like the Columbus Cartel nonsense we see. Is it cringy, sure, but so is a lot of small elevator pitches. It is what it is. I ain't going to hate on it.
Power trip in a forum? Good lord, you people take things too seriously and come to people's defense as if they have been offended in some way. I am giving all of the agents who do this a blueprint for success on BiggerPockets and a highlight to what could get them banned.
You must be someone who just likes to hop into the middle of things. You are only promoting participation trophies and rationalizing poor marketing. If they all just follow an easier path and stop spamming on posts or asking for business and focus on adding value only, they will get 5x the business.
You're the one that hired 50 people, just to fire them. Then question if you are on a power trip?
You ain't the one to tell people how to act and move. You're the one that needs to listen and behave. I've hired more people than you fired, rather than trying to take potshots at me back. Go read up a bit, you'll learn more in passing than you will listening to your own echo.
Zen my ***, bro. You're a cupcake, and if you keep barking up this tree you'll get the wrong dog.
I am not here to save anybody, I am simply telling the youngster here's a hand up not a foot down. You struggle with managing relationships and understanding human behavior, go read some of your own posts. The cringy introvert one is embarrassing, do you not grasp you're out of touch? You keep acting like this, you're going to see some issues coming so I suggest you keep it trim. This is the internet, so it's forever, and you're looking like a damn fool.
I am an open book. There's nothing to hide like you with your excellent profile pic, so I always stand by everything I say. There is no cringe or embarrassment in me because I have nothing to feel that way for. I have been here in the forums for ten years doing the same thing so I am not quite sure what issues you think are coming, but I am here for them. Bring it. Do you want to hop on a recorded Zoom and go over these things also? We can post it in here and then others can judge the cringe meter for themselves? I will be waiting for a yes.
You don't even read what you write. You are a typical internet anonymous troll who pops in and out and sauces the forums with their perspective and looks outward and not inward. Being an introvert and trying to help other people navigate a conference is not cringe, it's helpful for those who get overwhelmed by trying to do small talk.
I will bark up this tree every day so let's have a regular conversation on Zoom so I can see what you got and everyone else can too. I am not worried about getting the wrong dog in any way. I am thinking more puppy at this point.
You can keep waiting for that yes, just like Dave Meyers is waiting for me to give a call back when I called out his quality over quantity nonsense. Much like him, you're just tripping on your feelings. I got time to post on here, you think I got time to talk back and forth about your failing businesses, desperation for attention on BP forums, and your staunch views against the columbus cartel?
Get a grip, ain't no one getting on a call for that. We can debate it here at our convenience, not much to debate though. You're just another sleazy salesmen.
Coaching business is failing, streamlined business is on it's last legs, posting 4-5x day new threads trying to catch the validation. I can go on, but your actions speak to the true underlying problem and that's you. Diving your businesses down daily like the titanic.
Final take-- your reality is everyone around you is a problem, but the reality is you're the problem.
Why is quantity better than quality? (Honest question)
I’ve found the opposite in my investing.
That would be funny if Remington completely revamped his business model and transformed his life because of this thread.
Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.
https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...
After watching this Remi is a lot less unlikeable than I thought. Actually seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Which leads me to my point and some unsolicited feedback for you Remi. No agenda, I don't like helping out the competition either, so this is probably the one and only time I will do anything other than try to cut you off at the knees.
My honest assessment on you after your interview is that you should fire all 38 of your agents. You remind me of me running HoltonWise like 7 years ago. Dunno the number, but had 70-80 Agents working for me at one point or another. I was miserable, just like you sound. Agents can't be controlled. They run around doing stupid stuff and hurt your good name. Hell, I realized I don't even think I've personally had a bad experience with you, but I don't like you. Why? Cuz of all these 20 years old's running around hurting your brand.
You sound like you are caught up in the Agent count trap that I was caught up in. As a Broker we get caught up in all the commission we can earn from them but in today's game, what are these dorks getting from us? 90%+? It ain't worth it brother. What can these 20 year old's really do for you other than give you an ulcer? I imagine most leads that come into Reafco are generated from the brand and passed out to the Agents. Or if they are not, the only reason your Agents are getting BP leads themselves is because you are limiting your own posting so you can let them have the ball so to speak. But you, me, and everyone else is aware you are better at it than they are anyway.
So in summary you should do what I did and get rid of all of them and take control of your brand. You can hire hourly staff with bonus incentives to help you do your volume. This way you can control your brand. The day I went from having a ton of Agents to not having Agents was the greatest day in my career. Income took a small dip for like a year then went higher than it ever did with all the Agents who are really nothing more than a drag on a talented young Broker.
Anyways brother, that's my $.02, take it or leave it, but that's enough helping out the competition for me. I'll be going back to busting your balls and attempting to take away any shred of market share you have worked yourself into up in my neck of the woods.
Not gonna lie, sounds like Wise advice.
Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!
Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!
This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.
This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.
This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business.
My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?
If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.
I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you
I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.
And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.
Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.
Two things come to mind when I read your response:
1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.
2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.
Can you answer the message I sent you please?
You're right, thank you
Agent McCormack has more Zen 😅
I haven't watched the recording yet, I'll post again after I do. But the solution to this whole Spam argument is actually really simple.
@Scott Trench or whomever it is calling the shots on the forum laws are just chasing their tails with a moving goalpost of arbitrary rules that will always motivate people to try to skirt them.
Why? No other social platform does it. BP should simply remove the no advertising rule and setup an upvote / downvote system.
It's like any other platform, If your post provides value and positive feedback from the audience, it gets pushed to the top of the thread. If your post sucks and provides no value it gets shoved to the bottom and barley gets any views. Simple.
Those that have value to provide will be incentivised by the BP readers to have value in their posts so they can gain exposure. A self promotional pitch in a high value post does not reduce the value of the post. Likewise, a low value post, that doesn't technically break any of these ever changing rules, is still a low value post with out without whatever crosses the most recent line of self promotion.
The incentive to provide value will take care of itself. Simple.
Wow you are Wise
Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!
Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!
This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.
This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.
This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business.
My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?
If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.
I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you
I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.
And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.
Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.
Two things come to mind when I read your response:
1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.
2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.
Can you answer the message I sent you please?
You're right, thank you
Agent McCormack has more Zen 😅
I’m picking up some animosity toward @James Wise
No, my message was for the Zen and Art of Real Estate Investing not James. James keeps it real, almost as real as me.
Sorry I meant from that meeting recording that was posted.
I’m picking up some animosity toward @James Wise
Those notes are AI generated??
Yeah, it's amazing software. I purchased the subscription after my free trial ended. I think it's under $150 per year. Definitely worth it, especially when working with not-for-profits.