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All Forum Posts by: Morgan Klein

Morgan Klein has started 3 posts and replied 94 times.

Post: Example of a six figure flip

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145

Looks like a solid win.  I'm funding a very similar project with a 1960's ranch on 6 acres - House requires complete reno, but it's on a great lot w/ a barn that we plan to renovate with the house.  $180k purchase (my investment), $110k rehab (my partner's investment), list for $399k.  You must have felt very confident in your ability to find an investor, if you went under contract with no financing in place?  Nice job.

Post: Cash on Cash or Cash Flow?

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145

Ideally you want properties that can give you both.  

Post: Central Georgia Investing

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145
Originally posted by @Curt Smith:

Hi Noah, Read the paper I wrote Bullet Proof rentals linked off the first paragraph of my profile.

Cap is not the top criteria that makes rentals work (tenants actually pay the rent and you don't have to evict).  Jobs and growing GOOD jobs are the best predictor.  GA is a hot bed of jobs in Atlanta surrounded by largely very poor rest of the state.  Study bestplaces.net, city-data.com etc re income, unemployment and jobs on indeed.com setting radius to 5 mi.

Macon is very weak, the city gov is cutting core services.  Byron not much better, Warner Robins looks strong but has high turn over, low rents and a lot of houses sitting on the market due to military forced re-assignments leaving behind vacant houses with recent mortgages and are at value or under water.

Albany is poor and no good jobs source.  Use indeed.com radius 5mi to compare cities for jobs.  Columbus 200k MSA has had large employers pull out 1k etc jobs in the past 24 mo.  

Here's a test of an area being dead and you should either stay out OR learn a tactic that is related to making lemonaid with a weak area....   Test:  zillow.com rentals, set 3/2 house only rental.  If you see 3/2 houses renting for less then $800 the area is dead, if even one house <$700 its emploaded.  A nice house is affordable to dual blue collar incomes at $1000 to $1100.  Only invest in areas with good rents and zero low rents.

Regardless even a good town with jobs will have little appreciation because the move in/move out ratio is about balanced.  Its migration into an area combined with rising income that drives appreciation.   

Sad, few post on BP these types of economic critera for why real estate works.

What I did that was "make lemonaid" buy cheap but decent houses, this included double wides on their own land. Stay clear of mobile homes in parks (too long, but seearchable here). Fix nicely with new HVAC. Then rent to own with $1500 down (yoiu'll never get more down fromm poor folks) 12 months renting no late payments, you'll put them into a contract for deed (CFD) term 12 yrs +/-, blue collar needs short terms to see there being a possibility of ownership and to do the hard work to keep paying, 9% interest, keep payments same as prior rent; often $800 to $900/mo. I have a bunch at $825 and $875, at 9% interst for 12 years working backwward this makes for $65k to $70k selling price.

Another lemonaid tacitic that works in Macon/Milidgevill.  Buy a bunch of the 1940-50 2/1, 3/1, 3/1.5 for $10k-$20k, fix with new breaker box, roof, 12" ceramic tile floors every where (bullet proof).  Only elect heat.  no appliances rent for $400/mo "you bring it" rental model.  Tenants bring their own window ACs, all appliances.  High stickiness to moving.  BUT this is the model I refuse, its collect rent face to face with a gun in your pocket.  I only do tenants with bank accounts that can do ACH pay via erentpayments.com / cozy.co ...

Think outside the box in mid-GA, only buy quality houses in growing MSAs with available jobs.  Centerville/Warner Robins is weak but best of the bad choices I know of.  Only rental model for Macon is the $400/cash model.  Or slightly better houses walking distance to hospitals (any city) and market to traveling medical staff.  

Study current rentals >$1k and call those listings to learn from the owners. Best of luck.   

Search on meetup.org for local REI groups. You need boots on the ground help.

I forgot to mention:   the growing world trade (at a low right now FWIW) at Savanah, Augusta.  Augusta is seeing rental rates rise and raw houses price rise due to investors buying there.  IE a rising market.

This is good information, although I would disagree that the Georgia job market is Atlanta-centric and that outside of the metro area is β€œlargely very poor rest of the state.”  Yes, the majority of counties in Georgia are experiencing declining population, but the northern and northeastern part of the state is booming, particularly up the I-85 corridor between ATL and Greenville, SC.  Some counties in these areas are experiencing double digit % population growth over the last 5 years.  These are major shipping corridors, and warehouses are being built faster than they can be filled, and bringing 1,000s of jobs.  There is a major rental shortage in many of these counties.  

Here is a link that has a very useful heat map showing population trends by county - http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/georgia-population/

Post: Is a Property Manager Right for You? 5 Benefits

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145

All of those benefits have one thing in common....TIME.  You are paying a property manager for your time.  If money is worth more than your time, you should self manage.  If it's not, hire a property manager.  I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong.  But it's really that simple.  

Post: Insuring properties that are being rehabbed or vacant..?

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145
Originally posted by @Brenda Hamstead:

Who do you use to insure your Fix and Flip properties. Do you get one type of policy while the rehab is being done (Builder's Risk?) and then another type after you get the CO and it is vacant and on the MLS? Any advice is greatly appreciated!

Brenda, look into a "Vacancy and General Liability" insurance policy.  You can kill all birds with one stone.

Post: Newbie wanting to do something smart with inheritance.

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145

Erica, 

Welcome to Bigger Pockets.  I'm very sorry to hear about your father.

Assuming having a large sum of money at your disposal is new territory for you, unless you have some sort of crippling debt, my advice would be to do nothing with it for at least a year.  Put it in a high yield money market or savings account and let having that amount of money grow on you.  The reason most lottery winners and professional athletes eventually go broke, is they are not accustomed to being wealthy and are impulsive.  They want "things" and live in the moment, they don't plan for the future.  Let being wealthy become your new normal.

During that year, do all the things you said in your post.  Learn.  Become financially literate, and find ways to make your money work for you.  That might be real estate, but it might not.  Everybody's different.  Explore your options.

Post: 1031 Exchange to Invest in an Apartment

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145
Originally posted by @Joe White:

I hate the idea of you selling to an investor. An investor is just one very small market, and a market that requires a deal. By definition, they are stingy! 

Opening it up to those that want your properties as their live space, opens you up to the entire market, not just that very small segment. Allowing conventional financing is extremely helpful; but allowing FHA opens your properties to accept offers from those that only need 3.5% down payment to buy them. I think you need to keep your market open to 100% of the buyers and not just that 10%.

I couldn't agree more. One of the great benefits of owning SFRs vs. any other property type is when you decide to exit, you have the largest market of buyers and can max out that property's value. Unless an investor is out there willing to pay FMV for your properties, I don't see that being a viable option.

Post: One book to give to my spouse to introduce her to real estate

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Janelle Vigario:

@Joe Splitrock thanks! I will check the book out now for sure. πŸ˜€ I wouldn't be comfortable in investing in anything besides an index fund for stocks ... I know enough to know I don't know enough lol... I plan on just maxing out my company match and then a Roth IRA for retirement, and a 529 plan for the baby. Everything else I want to throw at real estate! I'm a ways away though... Luckily I have a home emergency fund, but I cannot touch that for real estate investing. My husband is opposed to becoming a landlord, and I can't see flipping being profitable around here, so we've "split" our finances after the bills are paid and i was told I can have at it with "my" money lol! Sorry for the life story πŸ˜€

 So many people are against becoming a landlord. It is really due to lack of knowledge and societal programming. People fear what they don't understand and landlords are portrayed negatively. It can be a hard job but is also very rewarding. You actually don't even need to be a landlord to invest in rental property. Every market around the country has capable property managers who can fill this role. Part of what it boils down to is the fear people have of wealth. It is a tiny voice inside your head that makes you run towards the security of working for others instead of being your own boss. The ironic thing is that working for others is less secure than owning your own business. Maybe you can slowly peel your husbands eyes open. Never a problem sharing your life story on BiggerPockets. I find it helpful to share and get others perspective. I noticed it was your first post on this thread, so I would like to officially welcome you to BP!

 That's well said.

Post: One book to give to my spouse to introduce her to real estate

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145
Originally posted by @Janelle Vigario:

@Joe Splitrock thanks! I will check the book out now for sure. πŸ˜€ I wouldn't be comfortable in investing in anything besides an index fund for stocks ... I know enough to know I don't know enough lol... I plan on just maxing out my company match and then a Roth IRA for retirement, and a 529 plan for the baby. Everything else I want to throw at real estate! I'm a ways away though... Luckily I have a home emergency fund, but I cannot touch that for real estate investing. My husband is opposed to becoming a landlord, and I can't see flipping being profitable around here, so we've "split" our finances after the bills are paid and i was told I can have at it with "my" money lol! Sorry for the life story πŸ˜€

 After you read the book, give the Rich Dad Radio podcasts a listen, too.  Good stuff.

Post: One book to give to my spouse to introduce her to real estate

Morgan KleinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jefferson, GA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 145

First, "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", then "The Book on Rental Property Investing".  The first gets you in the mindset to invest, the second gives you the education on how to do it.