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All Forum Posts by: Molly Hane

Molly Hane has started 2 posts and replied 5 times.

Post: Mistake or Opportunity?!

Molly Hane
Posted
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2
Quote from @James McGovern:

Your estimate for plumbing feels very high. I would avoid property with foundation issues 

Thank you kindly for your insight!

Post: Mistake or Opportunity?!

Molly Hane
Posted
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2

I am someone who will make any situation work... but I think I need external advice from seasoned investors on whether or not it's worth my time and money on this one. please read my confusing list of thoughts and let me know if you think this is a good deal or not...

Any insight would be appreciated!

(My apologies for the terrible formatting. Had issues copy/pasting table from Word doc)

Category

Description

Thoughts

couldnt figure out how to delete this column....

House

Duplex:

  • 1900sq 3bd, 3ba house
  • 800 sqft 1bd, 1ba apt

Yr built: 1960

Tried to sell for $225k since Apr

  • - Potential to force value though renovations
  • - no upgrades made since 1960
  • - all required make-ready repairs are mx… not value-add
  • - plan is to buy-and-hold, these repairs would be needed eventually… might as well get them done now

Financials

Sale price: $199k

Interest: 8%

Down Payment: ~$40k (20%)

Closing costs: $12k

Make-ready repairs: ~$10k

Cash flow: $200/month

  • - still cash flows at 8% interest
  • - Cash reserves available for unexpected breaks; paying mortgage myself
  • - Must receive combined $2700/month to break even

Seller contributions

$2k towards closing

$10k towards repairs

HVAC routine mx

$1k Flood insurance renewal

$250 termite inspection

$125 foundation warranty transfer fee

  • - Extremely motivated old lady… but she’s basically at the end of her rope… nothing left to give
  • - So many repairs and basic maintenance needed, even at this price w/ seller concessions… might not be a good deal

Location

Donaldsonville, LA

  • ~1000 personnel; 500 are contract/temp at any one time
  • ~600 employees at Shell in Geismer (~30 min away)
  • 1hr from New Orleans
  • 45 min from Baton Rouge
  • March 2025 – final confirmation of Hyundai steel factory- $5.8B investment; first north American electric arc furnace (EAF) – groundbreaking Q3 2026
  • - Potential for property values to increase soon
  • - New/more people expected to enter area
  • - Small town – not much new construction & limited inventory: potential high demand for rentals
  • - Hard to trust anything in current economic conditions… something could go wrong/be cancelled between now and Q3 2026


General mx

  • General Handyman tasks = $2k
    • Door trim/adjustment
  • Replace rooftop vents with thimbles
  • Fix ceiling fan (counterweight)
  • Add smoke/carbon monoxide detectors
  • Add gutters = $2k
  • Trim 2x large trees overhanging roof = $2k
  • - Seller unwilling to perform any of these
  • - My $10-20k is going towards repairs instead of renovations/upgrades
  • - “don’t know what we don’t know” – will likely find more things as maintenance is performed


    Plumbing

    Inspection revealed cracks in original cast iron and terracotta pipes: $22k to reline all; $8k for cast iron only (from only 1 bid)

    • - Not an emergency *yet*; can defer though not a good idea 
    • - people think the $22k quote is way too high (2 realtors, 1 contractor)

    Electrical

    Replace cloth and rubber-covered wiring = $11k

    • - Seller contribution of $10k towards repairs mostly covers this
    • - MUST be replaced
    • - $11k only covers cost of rewiring – not drywall or panel replacement should they have to cut through walls

    HVAC

    • (additional HVAC mx, if needed = $1.5k)
    • Add attic insulation = $2k
    • - Seller performing basic mx
    • - Both units are old and neither uses EPA-approved refrigerants allowed today. - One is a 2-ton and the other a 4-ton – likely looking at $16k to replace both if they break
    • - Attic needs an additional ~7in of insulation added; without it the HVACs are working harder than necessary – shortening lifespan but insulation will cost $2-8k


    Foundation

    Foundation inspection (same people that inserted foundation pillars for $8k suggested adding 8 more pillars for $15k)

    • - Basically every home in Louisiana has foundation issues… it’s a swamp
    • - General inspection report doesn’t think it looks bad
    • - Mx can be deferred
    • - Current foundation warranty exists for life of structure
    • - Costly to add additional piling support to remainder of house

    Post: Looking for your advice on this deal (my first property)

    Molly Hane
    Posted
    • Posts 5
    • Votes 2
    Quote from @Paige B.:
    Quote from @Molly Hane:

    I’ve found a “deal” but I’m having trouble understanding if this is a good fit for me. I’d love to hear some perspectives from more experienced investors on what you think about the info below:

    $75k for a 5bd 3 ba manufactured home that rents out each room for $500/month

    Pros:

    1. Reliable tenant payments
    2. Cheap purchase price relative to income generated
    3. Potential for ~16% CoC ROI

    Cons:

    1. Long distance investment (requires property manager)
    2. Month-to-month leases per bedroom (& no deposits collected)
    3. Located in Utica, MS – not a thriving market for rentals
    4. Manufactured home – not sure this type of home will build equity
    5. Unsure what kind of tenants live here

     Hey Molly! I agree with the other commenters. Beware with manufactured homes, as getting lending as well as insurance is tricky! Not saying to stay away, but with the cons listed, this may not be the one! If your goal is to buy and hold for a long time, you need to consider factors other than just cash flow, like appreciation. I work with many investors here on the Mississippi coast, please let me know if you are interested in this market and I can add you to my email list!

    Thanks Paige! That would be wonderful, please add me to your mailing list

    Post: Looking for your advice on this deal (my first property)

    Molly Hane
    Posted
    • Posts 5
    • Votes 2

    Caleb, Benjamin, Cory, and V.G Jason - thanks y'all! those were some great questions, perspectives, and insights that really helped. I've been reading a lot to understand where to start in my investing journey and I felt unsure why I was so uneasy with this deal, thank you for the gut check.

    to answer your questions:

    1. No, I don't have a local PM so that would have added another unknown variable and expense

    2. Though i would not mind a local house hack, my partner would not be supportive. 

    3. Attracted to it bc of the price, and I'm interested in properties in Natchez, MS and Vicksburg, MS and some in Louisiana. This one was close-ish to Vicksburg. Based on all the books I'd been reading, this seemed like it should qualify as a "good deal" but I was not convinced it would apply to manufactured home which led me here.

    4. I am managing these from the NCR where everything feels incredibly expensive.

    Thanks again for your kindness, patience, and for helping me learn. 

    5. I do not have an underwriter, just figuring it out on my own. But I like the idea of finding someone to help analyze and assess risk! Do yall have any recommendations?

    Post: Looking for your advice on this deal (my first property)

    Molly Hane
    Posted
    • Posts 5
    • Votes 2

    I’ve found a “deal” but I’m having trouble understanding if this is a good fit for me. I’d love to hear some perspectives from more experienced investors on what you think about the info below:

    $75k for a 5bd 3 ba manufactured home that rents out each room for $500/month

    Pros:

    1. Reliable tenant payments
    2. Cheap purchase price relative to income generated
    3. Potential for ~16% CoC ROI

    Cons:

    1. Long distance investment (requires property manager)
    2. Month-to-month leases per bedroom (& no deposits collected)
    3. Located in Utica, MS – not a thriving market for rentals
    4. Manufactured home – not sure this type of home will build equity
    5. Unsure what kind of tenants live here