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All Forum Posts by: Mitch Rapp

Mitch Rapp has started 2 posts and replied 7 times.

We just sold a multifamily property. There was a dog bite incident at the property a few weeks ago between 2 of the tenants. How long should we keep our insurance property (if we can even do so) in case the tenant decides to sue us?

Thanks all. I'll be contacting an attorney.

I have a question about tenant guests. Currently I have a tenant on a lease and the lease states that guests cannot stay longer than 14 days and no subletting. The tenant disappeared, but has a guest in the house and the tenant is non-responsive to calls/texts. How do I notify/remind the tenant of this clause in the lease if the tenant is not around to receive mail and non-responsive to calls/texts. I am afraid of a squatter situation developing. This is in CA.

Quote from @Account Closed:

Mitch -

Apologies if there was any confusion in my earlier explanation. 

Let me clarify a bit by adding:

Rental property is indeed considered 1231 property. As per the IRS guidelines and as you've correctly noted from IRS Publication 544, sales or exchanges of real property used in a trade or business and held longer than one year fall under Section 1231 transactions. This includes property held for the production of rents or royalties.

So, to reiterate, rental property qualifies as 1231 property when it meets the criteria outlined in Section 1231 of the Internal Revenue Code. Gains from the sale of such property are generally treated as long-term capital gains, while losses are treated as either ordinary or 1231 losses depending on the holding period.

Thanks for the question. Hope this clarifies. 

Let me know if there are any other questions. Thanks.

Thank you!
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Mitch Rapp:

I see differing opinions as to whether a loss from a sale of a rental property is a capital loss or ordinary loss. Section 1231 seems to indicate it should be an ordinary loss. Can you clarify?

    Also, does inherited rental property held for less than 1 year still qualify under 1231? I heard that the greater than 1 year holding is based on how long my parents held it, not based on how long I held it.


    Mitch - Thanks very much for participating in the discussion. Here's some information I've compiled which I'm hoping will be helpful:

    Section 1231 of the Internal Revenue Code addresses the treatment of gains and losses from the sale or exchange of property used in a trade or business. Typically, gains from the sale of such property are treated as long-term capital gains, while losses are treated as ordinary losses.

    If a rental property is held for more than one year, any resulting loss would generally be treated as a long-term capital loss. If the property is held for one year or less, the loss would typically be considered a short-term capital loss.

    Regarding inherited property, the holding period is generally determined by how long the property was held by the decedent (the person from whom you inherited the property). If the decedent held the property for more than one year, and you sell it within one year of inheriting it, the gain or loss would typically be treated as long-term.

    Lastly, it's imperative to consult with a tax expert that can tailor advice unique to your circumstances and tax laws applicable to your jurisdiction.

    Feel free to reach out with any further questions/concerns.

    Sincerely.


    Thank you for the clarification on the holding period.

    Can you clarify if rental property is considered to be 1231 property? Your explanation of rental property sale losses being capital (not ordinary) losses implies that it is not considered 1231 property.

    But IRS Publication 544 states:

    Section 1231 transactions.

    The following transactions result in gain or loss subject to section 1231 treatment.

    • Sales or exchanges of real property or depreciable personal property. This property must be used in a trade or business and held longer than 1 year. Generally, property held for the production of rents or royalties is considered to be used in a trade or business. This property must also be either real property or of a kind that is subject to depreciation under section 167 of the Internal Revenue Code. See section 1231 for details. Depreciable personal property includes amortizable section 197 intangibles (described in chapter 2 under Other Dispositions).

    I see differing opinions as to whether a loss from a sale of a rental property is a capital loss or ordinary loss. Section 1231 seems to indicate it should be an ordinary loss. Can you clarify?

      Also, does inherited rental property held for less than 1 year still qualify under 1231? I heard that the greater than 1 year holding is based on how long my parents held it, not based on how long I held it.