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All Forum Posts by: Marek Kucharski

Marek Kucharski has started 5 posts and replied 14 times.

Here is my dilemma:  My tenants just moved out (20 days prior to when their lease actually ended), but they left the house in less-than-ideal condition, after living there for only 2 years. 

- They were big fans of hanging heavy stuff on walls. I counted 30 anchors, which will have to be removed, spackled, textured and painted. This is in multiple rooms. My guess is that I will not be able to get the touchups blend in without painting entire walls.  The diameter of the holes varies 1/8, 1/4, and (sometimes) 1/2 inch.  How much do I charge for each repair? 

- Also, 8 halogen bulbs are burned out and need to be replaced. What is a reasonable charge here? 

- They cleaned a little bit, but that also leaves much to be desired (oven, fridge, floors, drawers). The house needs a move-out deep cleaning. 

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. 

I am located in TX and TX law provides that the tenant to sue the landlord to recover “three times the portion of the deposit wrongfully withheld” plus other fees. This is why I am asking these questions.  I do not want to be taken advantage of, but I also do not want to deal with the court system. (The issues I mentioned above are just the main ones. Other issues include, unmoved lawn, weeds everywhere, damaged landscaping, gutters that need to be cleaned etc. 

Hello Everyone, 

My tenants have recently moved out, leaving the house in less than ideal condition. The condition of some walls went beyond normal wear and tear and the house in general was left quite dirty. I decided to clean the house myself (1 full day, house + windows) and the painting and garden cleanup took another 2 days.  Can I deduct my labor from their deposit or should I have hired people to do all this so that I had receipts as proof.  I have photographic documentation of what needed to be done, but I did the work myself. Can I provide my tenants with an itemized list of deductions (fair value) or do I need actual invoices from gardeners, cleaners etc.? 

Thank you for your help. 

Marek

Thank you so much. I will definitely learn more about property tax sales. 

Also, about point C, are you saying the tax code allows me to move into rentals for 2 years and avoid taxes? Are you saying I can do it over and over? 

Quote from @Henry Clark:



Risk tolerance factors. 

Need to know more about YOU and YOUR wife.  Don't answer any of the following questions.   

What is your age?

Do you have kids?  Is College fund set aside?

Do you own your house?

How stable are your jobs?

What are your investments?  Any retirement plans?

Are you tired of REI?

You joined BP in 2016 and this is your only post. You have three REI investments, so you are a Seasoned SFH investor. Timing was great for making the investments.

etc etc.

Investment Strategy Past:

Real Estate:  All of your calculations you didn't tax effect your returns.  I love the 2 primary out of 5 years no taxes on your property.  Can't beat that with 5% down and no taxes.  $280k today, less 2013 cost $145k  (downpayment plus debt)= $135k less the original say $7k downpayment= $128k x at 0% Tax= $128k. Go live in your other properties for 2 years each.  Thats a guaranteed return.

Stock Market:  Let's use the DOW 2013 say 13,000 for easy math.  Today 34,000 for easy math.  $10,000 say down payment (5% for easy math), but you invested at Dow 13,000; becomes $26,000 less the original $10,000 = $16,000 gain, then you pay taxes.

Normally, you can never go back in history, but. I'll give you the Dow performance, which no one would have ever imagined and give you the $16,000 return, if you will give me the REI return of $128k. I'll even pay you an extra $50k.

Investment Strategy Future:

Stock Market:  To get the same Dow performance going forward from 34,000 that you realized since 2013; it has to go to DOW of 89,000.  But as @Joe Villeneuve would say don't follow the percentages.  Use dollars, so this is probably not comparable.  But you're looking for returns and probably thinking percentages.  Will the DOW get to 89,000 in the next 10 years (2013 to 2022 comparison)?

REI- Sell all of your houses and achieve say the $128k for each.  Might pay taxes or not depending on if you live 2 years in them.  Let's say $128k x 3= $384k.  But we don't know if you will live there, so say $250k cash.  Now you have many options.  1.  Sit tight for just 6 months and pick up distressed properties.  Know people say you can't time the market, but I disagree for the next six months.  2.  Interest rates are too high, use the cash to pay down your upfront collateral to get your payment lower.  Which I disagree with.  3.  Move up to an MFH., 4.  Take some cash off the table to your items noted above., 5.  If it was me, I would take the $250k and triple it in the next 5 years in REI.  Or Quadruple in 2 years, depending on the REI product.  (Look at Commercial).         If you stick with houses, you will need your $280 house to rise to $540k ($280k/$145k x $280k) in the next 10 years.  Say interest rates stay in the 6% range for the next 10 years; don't think it will make it to $540k.  Plus, Wood and Steel prices have come down to about 1/3 from a year ago.  Builders should start to add to inventory, reducing pressure over the next 10 years.  Plus, Baby Boomers will be (are) moving out of houses into Rest Homes at a larger rate than new 20's-to-40-year Olds join the population, adding to the housing inventory.

Current Negative Cash Flow- You shouldn't personally care financially.  Your making $250k per year.  The three properties at 15 year loans, say 4% interest should be around $3,500 per month.  You should be able to handle if no tenants.  But with tenants, you're paying down the debt and banking around $2,800 per month.  And as you have mentioned you're not paying the $2,800; your tenants are.  You can go through the weeds and get more precise figures.

Current Negative Cash Flow-  if your concerned about it from a management success standpoint, just refi to a lower payment.  You're not the typical investor that has to make each deal Cash Flow, especially when your banking $2,800 per month.  You only have 6 more years to go on your 15-year terms.

Recommendations:

What I see is your tired of REI. Sell and get out.

Or your tired of REI plus your Day Job. You're at that magical point where you quit your day job and go full time into REI. Yes, you might take a pay cut initially, but this might be a great time depending on your life status. Be careful though. Was it just dumb luck on your REI timing or was it your REI experience. Remember this is your only post on BP since 2016.

Congratulations on your success.  Stop and enjoy your success.  Thats my pineapple growing below (I'm in Iowa).  I could have re-invested, but decided to buy something I enjoyed.


My wife and I are government employees. We expect to get state pensions. Mine will be about 90% of highest average salary, hers will be about 75% at 62- no COLA for either one of us. We max our ROTHs every year and put away 10% of our income to our 403Bs. We are both 40. Household income about $250K mid-cost of living area. My primary residence is not paid off - 2.85% mortgage does not make me eager to pay it off quickly. 

If I was to go the stock route, I would simply put the $ away in an index for two decades and forget about it. 

I am not tired or RE - my wife and I manage everything ourselves. I do most of the repairs, she does the rest. If I thought that I could repeat what I did in RE in the last 10 years, I would never ask about stocks. I would just stick to RE and, possibly buy more rentals. However, when I look at what is available in my local market, the prices and rates, the math does not seem to work out that well.  

Somebody here mentioned buying RE at a deep discount - say 20%. How do you pull that off? That could make the math work. 
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Marek Kucharski:

My wife and I have three houses that we rent out. This journey started about 10 years ago. We have 15-year mortgages on these. The houses are worth about $800K (TX). We are very happy with how these houses appreciated; we put very little money down and were rewarded handsomely. Of course, this was no bed of roses: we put a lot of work into these - roof leaks, flooded floors, painting, clogged toilets, annoying tenants - you name it.

Today, we are contemplating selling one house and putting the profits into SP500. What makes us contemplate this is some back testing. For example:
- The first house was purchased in 2013 for $145K. That house is now worth $280K.
- If I was to invest $145K in SP500 in 2013, I would have about $500K

I know that the past is not the prologue, but I also know that historically housing trails the SP500. That said, in 2013, we were fresh out of grad school and did not have $145K to invest in the market. So, buying a house with 5% down was the only option. Today, we could sell one house or more and invest a larger sum for the long haul.

We have tenants moving out in the spring and we are considering selling. The house in question happens to be a house we lived in recently and we could sell it and not pay taxes on the sale. Do you think we should pull the trigger and put the money into the market? Thank you for your advice.

Relevant details: 

- Household income about $250K, which means that we cannot deduct rental losses

- All houses have 15-year mortgages , which means that they do not cash flow well. We are either in the red or breaking even depending on luck in a given your. Tenants are paying off our mortgage. 

- We could also sell, invest the money, and buy another rental (re-leverage)

You're initial assumptions are way off (math), and just gets worse from there.

Assumption #1 = "If I was to invest $145K in SP500 in 2013, I would have about $500K"
Fact #1 = If you invested $145k in RE in 2013, it would be worth $725k in 2013.

Assumption #2 - "All houses have 15-year mortgages , which means that they do not cash flow well"
Fact #2 - The poor cash flow was more likely due to the 15 years mortgage than anything else.  Why would you do a 15 year mortgage when you could have gone with a 30 year mortgage, with a lower monthly payment?  You said yourself, "...Tenants are paying off our mortgage".





Perhaps I did not phrase things clearly enough. I am fully aware of the fact that I did not have $145K in 2013 and I know that in 2013 RE was the correct choice. No question about that. But the point is that now I would have a larger amount to invest if I sold the house. 

As for the 15-year mortgage, this was a conscious choice as I wanted $ to go to principal. If I count the principal being paid-off, perhaps the cashflow is not that bad. With a 30-year mortgage, I would be paying off interest in the first decade or so. 

Lastly, some of you suggested that I purchase another property. (This is what my wife prefers.) It seems to me that with, now, much higher rates, making the math work is MUCH more difficult. Am I wrong on this? 

Quote from @Brad S.:

I'm not a stock guy, so can't offer much insight there, but I don't you see you taking leverage into account.

You mentioned you put 5% down, since you couldn't afford to pay $145k cash. So, using your #'s provided and not accounting for costs, cashflow, etc, here's how it would've looked:

Stocks
$145k invested to get $500k = 245% gain

Your House
$7,250 invested to get $135k in equity = 1,762% gain

**********************
Now, if you had $145k and split it into 20% or 25% down payments, this is what it would've looked like:

20% down
$29k down, 5 houses, $135k equity each house = $675k gain, 366% gain

25% down
$36,250 down, 4 houses, $135k equity each house = $540k gain, 272% gain

and of course you have costs, maintenance, etc., but you also have depreciation, equity paydown by tenants, tax benefits (1031 deferral), and you own a bundle of commodities as an inflation hedge, cashflow, etc, etc. 


 Thank you so much. Great analysis - very helpful. 

Thank you Joe, this is precisely the type of advice I am looking for. 

What Andres suggested was on my mind for a while now. I just find the current real estate market more challenging - it is much more difficult to make the numbers work - at least in my local area. 

Here are the details of the property in question: 

- Purchased about 6 years ago for 215K. Now worth 330K. 

- 15-year mortgage at 3.37%

- Property located in a good suburban area with great schools. 

- Currently leased for $2100. I could probably get $2200. My monthly mortgage payment is $2,033 + flood insurance (1K) and HOA ($600/year). My income and other properties effectively subsidize this one.

- Property falls under the 2-out-of-5-years rule, - we would not have to pay taxes on this property.