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All Forum Posts by: Eric Miller

Eric Miller has started 1 posts and replied 38 times.

Post: FIRST FLIP - $23,500 PROFIT

Eric MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker/Investor
  • Danville, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 36

@Ryan Parnow - It is Pergo Max Montgomery Apple laminate flooring. I picked it because it had the most reviews on Lowes website, so I assumed it was the most popular color. When I purchased it the lady confirmed it was their most popular and she had it in her house and loved it.

Post: FIRST FLIP - $23,500 PROFIT

Eric MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker/Investor
  • Danville, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 36

@Scott W. - I wish I would have kept track of it. I have a separate business, and this time of year I am in my slow season, so it works out well for having lots of time to work on the house. Weekdays I got to the house by Noon or 1pm and stayed until 4 or 5pm so I could be home normal time with family. I promised my wife I would only work late 2 days a week so she wasn't stuck with getting dinner ready and kids to bed all by herself all the time. The late days I worked Noon or 1 until about 8/9/10pm. I only worked about half of the weekend days, 4-8hrs on those days. I would say maybe 180-200 hours total? About 10-15 of those hours were spent at hardware stores purchasing everything and picking out finishes. There were also several days I just stopped by to check on contractor progress and did not do any work, or I only dropped off purchases from hardware stores.

Post: FIRST FLIP - $23,500 PROFIT

Eric MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker/Investor
  • Danville, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 36

@David Soest - According to the neighbor that I know two doors down they had a garage sale this past weekend and told him they were moving real soon. I don't know if the auction company or bank sends them a letter to let them know the house is sold, or not. So it sounds like they are moving on their own. But if I have to, I will offer cash for keys. I might write them a letter this week and offer cash for keys anyway if they are willing to let me look at the house inside for 5 minutes. That way I know the scope of work needed so I can get on my contractors schedules. If I don't get in until closing and the house needs some work it might be 2-3 weeks before I can get some of my guys in there.

@Mark Barnes - Yes, I had my contractors lined up prior to closing, although I could not get actual bids for interior stuff because I could not get back into the house for them. I personally knew all of them including the one that came in at $8800 on the roof that I did not use. The roofing guy I did use had his roofing business right next to my regular business, and I ended up buying his house (my personal residence) from him when he listed it FSBO, so that might have gotten me a bit of a deal. The contractors who did the interior work was a friends fathers' company, and he works for him. They did give me some deals on some add on things because they were already working there, but I had also previously used them for stuff on my own house as well. Some things they are a little expensive on, but other things I feel they are very reasonable on. I like that I know them well, so I can trust they are doing good work.

Post: FIRST FLIP - $23,500 PROFIT

Eric MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker/Investor
  • Danville, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 36

@Tyrone Jackson - That is hard to say. Labor might have been $7000-$9000 more? Tile install would have been $10/ft, I said no thanks and did that myself. Painting all the interior walls would have been $2200 more, so I did that myself. I had a friend working with me while I was working on an hourly basis ($15 per hour) who ended up making $1200. I was inefficient in some things because I literally went to Lowe's and/or Menards every single day I worked at the house, sometimes twice. Some of that was to price shop for materials between the two, but a lot was to compare different material selection/choices such as flooring, tile, hardware, lighting, etc. In the future I will be mostly using the same laminate, carpet, paint color, some lighting and other items, so it will save me a lot of trips and time picking that stuff out. Now I know when I need flooring I go to Lowes. When I need lighting, I get it at Menards. I also would spend lots of time trying to find things at both stores, so I would be zigzagging all over to get everything I need. Now I know where everything is much better so trips will be more efficient.

Post: FIRST FLIP - $23,500 PROFIT

Eric MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker/Investor
  • Danville, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 36

@Karey Wright - I have a second deal under contract already from auction.com. Should close in about a month. This one will most likely be held as a rental since its around the corner from our other rental we have. Its in the same subdivision, so its nice to have them really close by and we already know the rental market well. The scary thing is this one is occupied, and I have not seen the inside. The good news is we know a person two doors down who has talked to them off and on over time and said they always kept their house nice inside. We are counting on that bit of information that the house won't be trashed when we get in.

@Jacob Pereira - I think everything went very well for being my first other than estimates. This house was on a well and septic, so that was a little scary not knowing if there would be issues with those. I was not sure how much buyers cared to be on well and septic for a house in town. The well water was terrible before I put the softener on. Even after I didn't think the water looked or tasted that great, but that could be me used to city water. I was afraid buyers would be turned off, so I might try and avoid those in the future. Also, this took a ton of time in my evenings and weekends for 7 weeks. My wife was getting tired of me not being home to help with the house and kids, she works full time. So, I plan to try and hire a few more things out next time if the budget will allow, or buy houses that don't need as extensive of rehab. The good news is now I have a much better idea of what most things actually cost going into the rehab. 

Post: FIRST FLIP - $23,500 PROFIT

Eric MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker/Investor
  • Danville, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Chad U.:

Nice job on the flip!   I'm actually surprised your rehab costs were that low even, given you had to replace the roof too. 

Thanks! The roof was $6850 which included removing 2 layers of existing roof (I had a second quote and it was $8800, yikes!). The contractor I had do the main work cost $12,500 total. That included materials, painting, and labor for trim and interior doors, plumbing rough in materials and labor to make a half bath into full bath, drywalling and finishing the other bath with some small plumbing updates, installing laminate floor, retexturing and painting ceiling, installing kitchen cabinets/countertop/sink, and some other small things.

Me and my hourly labor friend did all the full house wall painting, demo, lighting install, faucets, door handles, landscaping, changing out all plugs and switches to white color, tile and backsplash, and a long list of other small things. I was going to do the laminate floor myself, but the contractor told me it would be easier (and cheaper) if I had that installed before they started so they could put the new trim on it and not have to come back with quarter round at the end. I agreed that would look nicer and save some time and money, but they mentioned it like 3 days before they were starting, so I just had them do the flooring install.

Post: FIRST FLIP - $23,500 PROFIT

Eric MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker/Investor
  • Danville, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 36

After Pictures:

Post: FIRST FLIP - $23,500 PROFIT

Eric MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker/Investor
  • Danville, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 36

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to give a full review of my first flip. I’ve had been lurking around BP for around 2 years now, and the amount of information is amazing. Here is the story on my first flip.

I had been searching for houses for some time looking for the right deal. A property from auction.com came up I liked, but it was one of those with no showings allowed at all. The back door deadbolt was not locked and I was able to use the old credit card trick to get in. Being a rookie and overlooking all the things that add up I figured I could rehab it for around $15k or less (new roof was half of that) and sell for about $115-$120. I made a “Pre Auction Bid” of $60,000, a day later I got an email about multiple offers requesting highest and best. Not sure if they were just saying that, or just trying to get me to increase my offer. I moved up to $65k, they called me later saying they had 2 offers for $65k and asked if I wanted to increase. $65k made me comfortable and I didn’t know if they were being honest, so I went up to just $65,500 and got the house 10 minutes later. Hurray!

The house was a total mess inside with junk left, and the yard was a disaster with overgrown everything and a thick later leaves all over the yard. Like I mentioned, I purchased this prior to the actual auction starting. To my surprised, auction.com reps showed up a few days later to put up auction signs, and clean to clean the whole thing out and clean up the entire yard. It took them 2 days. They must not have received the memo that the house was already under contract and they did not have to do all that work. It was a nice surprise.

The house went under contract around the end of January, and we closed March 14th. The selling bank was slow to sign the contract, plus they take 6 weeks to close. Based on advice I read from others who purchased auction.com property, I opted to use my local closing company knowing I would have to pay some duplicate fees and buy my own title insurance. I could have used their closing company and saved some money, but I wanted someone working for me on closing to make sure everything went smooth.

March 14th – Closing day went smooth, this was my first all cash purchase, and it’s amazing how much less paperwork and time the closing takes. In and out in 5 minutes. My wife and I are frugal people who live on about half of what we make and invest the rest. So, we built up a good pile of cash over the years to make this happen. (Thank You Dave Ramsey)

Once I got in the house we quickly found out there was many things I overlooked that I would need to replace. The first blow was cut wiring in the crawl space and attic I did not notice. The previous owner wanted to be a jerk. It took 5 days and $600 to get that fixed and get power on in the house. One bathroom had a crappy tile job that went around all the walls, so we gutted the whole thing which we did not plan on. The kitchen cabinets, which I did not look close enough were junk as well, so all new kitchen. There were different types and colors of trim and doors inside the house as well, so we did all new trim and doors. It ended up being one of those houses that I said, “well if we’re updating all of that, we need to update these as well.”

Rehab took 7 weeks. New roof, kitchen, appliances, trim, doors, laminate flooring, carpet, tile bathrooms, entire house painted, ceiling retextured, vanities, and much more. Total rehab cost, nearly $36k! My estimates were far off. I kept justifying the extra expenses by increasing the ARV of the home since it would be brand new home inside. I was starting to get worried about appraisal. This home was built in 1969 and all the houses in that neighborhood (mostly all dated inside) sold for $70-$95 per sq ft, with the exception of 1 (updated) home in the past year that sold for $105 per sq ft. I was wanting to list for $135k, which was $110 per sq ft. Nervous about appraisal and wanting to make sure I was priced more competitively I priced at $132,500. My all in cost for the house, closing, and rehab was around $103k. I was worried that in a worst case scenario I would end up selling for $125k and buyers always want closing cost help these days. Take out realtor fees and seller closing costs and I could be looking at a profit around $10k for 7 weeks of late nights. After taxes, not super exciting, but I also give a lot of value to the experience gained.

May 4th – Officially on the market for $132,500, and boy did things happen fast. Within a couple hours we had 3 showing set up that night, plus a full price offer from an out of state person who was buying it based on the pictures before the other 3 showings happened. My agent notified the other potential buyers of the offer, and one of the buyers from the showings also offered full price but all cash. We asked for best and final. Out of state buyer didn’t change their offer, other than increasing the EM deposit (we told them $500 was too low since I was worried they would change their mind and only be out $500). All cash buyer came back with a $135k offer, which is what I wanted in the first place. Score! And I didn’t have to worry about appraisal. We closed on May 19th.

Final Summary:

Selling Price: $135,000
Purchase Price: $65,500
Purchase Closing Costs: $1,472
Rehab Cost: $35,882
Selling Closing Costs (including realtor): $8,632

TOTAL PROFIT $23,514

You can see more before, after, and during renovation pictures on the Facebook page link in my signature.

Before pictures: