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All Forum Posts by: Mike Schoeffel

Mike Schoeffel has started 5 posts and replied 15 times.

Quote from @Patrick McGarvey:

Did you use a licensed home inspector when you purchased the home? Does the home inspection report state anything with regard to the joists or foundation? If the joists, rim joists, or foundations have damage causing structural issues, then the home inspector would be liable assuming it was pre-existing and that it was accessible during the inspection. If it is not stated in the report and the report does not state that it was not inspected, then I would definitely follow through with the home inspector. They have insurance for missing things like this in the final report. Review the home inspection report if it does not state anything about the above issues then follow through with an attorney.


 It doesn't state any issues with the foundation, joists, joist rims, etc, whatsoever. I'm definitely going to look into holding the inspector accountable, the only issue may be that I didn't order the inspection. It was ordered by someone who tried to buy the home a month before I did but fell through due to a lending issue (presumably). I'm not sure if I could take legal action against an inspection I didn't order.

Quote from @David P.:

So the tenants noticed something was structurally going on and then informed the city? Was that their reason for stop paying rent saying it was unsafe? Wouldn't you be able to get your home owner insurance involved for this? I thought thats the whole purpose of insurance is for situations like this?

From my experience a lot of home inspectors do the very basic. I wouldn't go the inspector route cuz that maybe hard to prove in court. I woud get home owner insurance involved and they would actually pay you lost rent due to house being unhabitable or unsafe and give a tenants a place to live.


No, they stopped paying rent because they couldn't afford it, I presume. Never mentioned anything about structural issues. They ordered an inspection because they were looking for anything they could to justify their non-payment.

I'll look into the homeowners insurance angle. Thanks.


Quote from @Theresa Harris:

For your tenants, hire an eviction attorney and get rid of them.  This should have been done as soon as they stopped paying the rent.

Why did the city inspect the property?  Are the joists something the inspector could have seen or did they have to move things to see the problems?  The property inspectors won't move anything.  Talk to the lawyer who handled the closing for you.


I started the eviction process awhile ago, just waiting for everything to play out in court.

The city inspected the property because the tenants ordered an inspection. The joists/rim joists were very much visible to to the naked eye.

This is a long and convoluted story, but I'll condense it to the basics. 

I bought my first rental property in Danville earlier this year. The inspection report turned up no issues with the foundation whatsoever. Fast-forward five months. The city inspected the property and found major issues with the joists and joist bands. A contractor gave me a ballpark quote of $30-50K, but said it could end up being much more than that. I don't have that kind of money.

Stack this on top of the fact that my tenants have been terrorizing the neighborhood and stopped paying rent in mid-June and this has been an absolute disaster.

This feels like a worst-case-scenario situation with no good way out. I wanted to get y'all's thoughts on my options. At this point, I'm thinking of taking one of two paths:

1) Attempting to sue the seller or the inspector, though this seems like a drawn out process with little change of success.

2) Selling the house as-is for a major loss. I bought the place for $129K and I'd be surprised if I could even get anywhere close to $50K.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Quote from @Christian Ehlers:

Not sure about Pittsburgh specifically, but on the east coast when it gets cold it can be very tough to fill a rental at full market rents because so few people around here want to move during the winter. If it is a very nice/updated rental at a good price it will still usually rent out though, and then you can raise rents to market later on. 

My suggestion is if you have to do that, make sure that your first lease is 6 or 9 months, whatever it takes for the expiration date on the lease to be in the spring/summer when it's easier to fill a vacancy if you have a tenant leave. 

Very helpful! Thanks.

I'm on the verge of making an offer on a 2/2 on the Southside (a good part of the Southside), yet I'm hesitant because I've heard the harsh Pittsburgh cold/snow can make units hard to fill in the winter. How true is this? I don't want to get stuck covering the mortgage for six months until the weather warms. 

Thanks ya'll. 

Post: So how's the market for LTRs?

Mike SchoeffelPosted
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 7

Hey all, I'm looking to invest in the Pittsburgh market with a buy-and-hold cash flow strategy. I'm finding a lot of places that look like they'd cash flow quite well, but I've also noticed a TON of rentals on the market, which makes me worried about oversaturation and prolonged vacancies. 

Does anyone with experience in the Pittsburgh market have an first-hand insight into this? Thanks!

Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Mike Schoeffel:
Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Mike Schoeffel:

Hey all. I'm a long time BP podcast listener, but this is my first time posting in the forum. 


Anyway, I'm set to close on a $100K HELOC within the next couple weeks. I'm interested in hearing some seasoned veterans' opinions on how best to spend this money in real estate investing to maximize my returns.

A few pertinent notes:


1) At least $25K will go toward a new roof and a well, both of which we desperately need.


2) I'd like to leave $20-25K untouched so I can pull from it in emergencies.

3) The other $50-55K is basically free game. 

4) I have an unfinished basement which I could finish and rent out. There's already one bedroom with a bathroom down there that we rent on AirBnB.

5) We also have a 200-square foot lofted cabin on our property (we have 16 acres) that we could install plumbing and electric in.


6) I'm interested in purchasing one or two long term rentals (preferably duplexes) that would cash flow 300-400 per month. I've run the numbers on several places that would meet that criteria. I'm open to ideas about this, though. My only stipulation (other than $300-400 monthly cash flow) is that the property is within an eight-hour drive of my home, which is just west of Asheville. 


So what do you think. Any ideas? 
Happy to be entering into the BP online community.


 If you buy another property then you have the potential to get cashflow and if you buy into equity eventually refinance. Through this, you would be able to then buy another property and keep the ball rolling or then use that money to refinish the cabin/basement but still have cash flow. 

Good advice.

The properties I'm looking at are cheap enough that I'd be able to pay them off within 10-15 years if I put an extra $250 per month toward the principal (in theory). 

So you think it'd be wise to cash out refinance after I've built up some equity in the rental, then use that money to snowball into another property? 

I am currently on my 9th BRRRR. I fix them up some a full gut and some just a cosmetic lift. Then I cash-out refinance and put the money into another property. I am not worried about trying to pay off my property because the tenant will do that with the rent money. I think you have to decide what your goals are and how can you get there. I always like to write things out. Every Sunday my wife and I will sit down and write out our goals and how we are going to do that this week. We have our big goal but to achieve that there is a lot of small ones along the way.

I think my sweet spot is going to be s turnkey or near-turnkey MFs. I don't currently have the time, skills or motivation to focus on BRRRs, though I'm not ruling it out in the future. 

Our long-term goal is to make enough money for my wife to quit her job in 10 years. I've run the numbers on several properties currently on the market, just to get a feel for things, and it seems  achievable. Like you said, focus will be the most important factor.
Quote from @Shiela R.:

@Mike Schoeffel I agree with @Steven Foster Wilson on the truth that you have your big goal but it takes constant checkins to see what actions you need to take today, tomorrow, next month, etc to achieve the big goal.  That being said, do you like doing the STRs on your property?  If so, I'd put the equity into increasing the cashflow from the STRs.  If you don't love it or just want some diversification, there are some compelling reasons to look into the Columbus, OH market depending on what your skillset is. I love your thinking so far! 


I enjoy STRs, but I want to branch out into LTRs because we live in a very seasonal area. I'd like to have steady cashflow to offset the highs and lows of STRs.

My sweet spot for LTRs, I think, is going to be small turnkey or near-turnkey MFs. I may look into doing BRRRs down the road, but that seems a little too time-consuming and risky for someone like me (i.e. someone with not a lot of extra time, no handyman skills and minimal real estate experience) at the moment.