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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 9 posts and replied 390 times.

Post: Bonus Depreciation - Schedule E vs C

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Post: Bonus Depreciation - Schedule E vs C

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Post: Bonus Depreciation - Schedule E vs C

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Originally posted by @Steven Hamilton II:

179 also does not allow you to increase a loss, we don't even look at it as we can utilize bonus without the limitations They in effect create the same effect. You should be looking at BONUS Depreciation which would allow you to accelerate deductions.

I work real estate full time, put in more than 750 hours and have a mixture of rentals and flips. I have no W2 income.

If I start selling Turnkeys within my LLC, that is, buying a property, fixing it up and selling it within a couple of months to an investor, is it Schedule C or is it Schedule E? Do I get 179 deductions?

I can't decide if it's a flip since it's going to an investor not a home owner or does that point even matter? Is that treated any differently than Wholesaling where they don't take the property into their name and they sell the assignment?

Post: Mildly Embarassing Question

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@Basit Siddiqi I work real estate full time, put in more than 750 hours and have a mixture of rentals and flips. I have no W2 income. 

If I start selling Turnkeys within my LLC, that is, buying a property, fixing it up and selling it within a couple of months to an investor, is it Schedule C or is it Schedule E? I guess I can't decide if it's a flip since it's going to an investor not a home owner or does that point even matter? Is that treated any differently than Wholesaling where they don't take the property into their name and they sell the assignment?

Post: How do my husband and I pay ourselves in an LLC

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Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:

@Account Closed

That screen shot has nothing to do with RE Pro or this thread, for that matter. It has to do with the new 20% deduction, and wholesaling is not consulting. In other words, ignore this screen shot - you are NOT a "specified service" when asked by software.

As far as how your income is taxed, both wholesaling and rentals, at $400k profit it is critical to work with a tax planning specialist. Find one, there're 20+ of us here.

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Post: How do my husband and I pay ourselves in an LLC

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Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

If my LLC-1 nets $200,000 a year flipping and

my LLC-2 nets another $200,000 a year wholesaling -

Am I considered a RE Pro or am I providing a service? (wholesaling)

I guess you're not clear about the RE Pro. RE Pro status is only needed by landlords who have losses from rentals but cannot deduct theses losses - either because they have too much losses or too much income.

To qualify for RE Pro, there're several requirements, including requirements to spend a lot of hours in real estate business (750 a year) and spend more hours in real estate than in non-real-estate pursuits (like a W2 job). Amount of income is irrelevant.

If you're a full-time wholesaler and flipper, you probably qualify for RE Pro - assuming you even need to qualify, i.e. you have rentals with losses.

 You're right, I'm not clear. I thought I remembered that high income individuals were hit with higher taxes based on being "Service Providers" like this screen shot from some tax software. I am not W2, I do real estate full time. I would have thought that Wholesaling would fall into Consulting since a wholesaler doesn't take ownership and doesn't rehab the property and has the assignment for a very short period of time. 

Have I misunderstood and that actually Wholesaling time counts toward the 750 hours needed or is someone who Wholesales and has multiple rentals not counted as a dealer? Or, am I confusing two different things? My rentals are all profitable. I'm just trying to understand if I treat wholesaling profits differently than I treat rental profits since my main income is from rentals. Do rentals show up on one form and does wholesaling show up on a different form?

Post: Wholesaling - Tax Forms

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Originally posted by @Basit Siddiqi:

@Alberto Ramirez

It depends on how the wholesale is structured. Is there a double-close or are you just getting a "fee"?

You should be reporting the income regardless if you get a tax form or not.

I have rentals in one LLC, I've been doing fix and flips in another LLC. I work real estate full time (more than 750 hours a year) and I don't have any W2 income.

I'm considering adding Wholesaling in a third LLC.

If my Rental LLC nets $50,000 a year 

and my Flipping LLC nets $200,00 a year

and my Wholesaling LLC-2 nets another $200,000 a year

Am I considered a RE Pro or am I providing a service? (wholesaling)

Post: How do my husband and I pay ourselves in an LLC

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Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:
Originally posted by @Ashish Acharya:
Originally posted by @JR T.:

If you do work for the LLC you need to pay yourself wages and withhold the appropriate tax. The wages need to be reasonable for the services you're performing. The balance you take in distributions which, thanks to Mr. Trump, you get to write off 20% of that from your income right off the top.

Unfortunately,  that is not correct. 

There is no withholding or wages in what she is doing. 

Also, we don’t know what she is doing, so 20% off is not certain either. 

I would not say that JR's statement is not correct. I would say that it is not necessarily correct, or rather correct under some specific circumstances: if the business is "active" (as in wholesaling or flipping), if it is profitable, if it benefits from an S-corporation treatment and if such treatment is in fact elected. 

In my earlier comment, I referred to a situation like this one as one of the possible complications.

If my LLC-1 nets $200,000 a year flipping and

my LLC-2 nets another $200,000 a year wholesaling -

Am I considered a RE Pro or am I providing a service? (wholesaling)

Post: Tax implications for owner financing

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Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:
Originally posted by @Marshall Hooper:
Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:

Has this changed now with IRS publication 537 that states you can't use the installment method if you're a "Dealer"? And they define a dealer as someone who regularly sells personal property. 

Not sure what you're asking. We were talking about selling rental properties. Dealers, aka flippers, could never use installment method. It's not a new rule.

Is that to say that if I sell a house for $250,000 on a Land Contract/Contract for Deed this tax year and the buyer gives me $30,000 down . . . That I pay capital gains on only the $30,000 for this tax year and the rest of the Capital Gains over the years that the Land Contract runs?

Or do I pay capital gains on the entire transaction for this tax year? 


Post: Realities of Investing - Case Study - What Works, What Doesn't

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Natalie Schanne:

Account Closed - So what have you learned about vacant properties? How long was it empty? Were utilities on in your name? Some places turn off their breakers so people don’t think the power is on. Are you going to put in WiFi cameras now with auto alerts for movement?

In a town like mine, with evidence of a lease and paid security deposit and rent, the police would collect information but not evict the squatter until the courts could resolve the issue. There was an article about it recently where squatters kept switching vacant bank-owned houses so the paperwork to evict them by name was never correct. Several “Williams and Johns” ended up going to jail for fraud after months of collecting rent and security deposits. But I could imagine how a person using fake names could just keep moving areas committing the same crime everywhere. The average renter doesn’t check public records to see who owns the property.

@Lamont Marable @Natalie Schanne 

I last was at the property about 10 days earlier. Nothing was unusual. 

The power had been turned off, they had the power turned on. I'll find out monday how they did that and in whose name. Same with water. Water was off. They got the water turned on. They even got cable hooked up. These guys are good.

What the police explained to me is that if they believe there is a possibility of the lease being valid it is a civil matter and it requires an eviction. That is what these guys planned. 

However, if there is reason to believe a "crime occurred" it becomes a criminal action and no eviction is required, they get hauled away if present (at least in Phoenix, other jurisdictions, who knows.)

Because it is an "ongoing criminal investigation" I can't give details yet of how I convinced the officers it was a crime and not a civil action. I learned this little gem from another experience awhile back that was much more benign. They don't teach you this things in school. It's on the job training.

Yeah, what was supposed to be a 30 minute routine visit was a 5 hour experience. That was not expected and not planned into my day.

Through this I learned to have proof that the property belonged to me readily available so that the police would take action and the fake lease wouldn't be a plausible piece of proof for the bad guys. In my case I went online to the county records and called up the Warranty Deed to show the police. You could also print off the Warranty Deeds of your properties and carry them in a binder in your car. I don't favor that approach but if you can't find the paperwork online it might be the best option.

Still more to say, but this post is getting long.

 You never know what one day to the next will bring with Real Estate.