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All Forum Posts by: Mike McKeown

Mike McKeown has started 2 posts and replied 7 times.

Originally posted by @Michael Beum:

I own (3) and manage (4) STR condos in the Tampa area. I managed all these properties from NY for nearly 2 years. Condos and Townhouses are great because you don't have to worry about external maintenance and they often come with amenities that you'll pay a premium for in a SFH (pool, spa, gym, etc.). The flip side is the HOA. You have to find a HOA that is willing to work with Private owners and STRs. As others have stated the bylaws and restrictions are where you have to be careful. Linking up with a STR Property Manager in your target market can help you navigate the HOAs to avoid.

Hi Michael, Thanks for this! Your comment is exactly what's got me going 50/50 on condo vs SFR! :)

I guess it comes down to my longer term plan, which right now includes building equity and adding properties. This has me thinking that we go with a home as a first option, on the assumption the deal makes sense. This will force me and my partner to learn as much as we need to about running the business. From there, we assess whether it makes sense to continue purchasing SFR or if the next purchase should be a condo/townhome.

That all goes out the window though if I can find a screamin' deal in ANY domicile! :)

Originally posted by @Jonathan Klemm:

@Mike McKeown - I have a short-term rental in Chicago, which is a 2 flat so I rent one apartment out as normal and use the other as an AirBnB. That way I get some of the STR revenue upside and avoid having to pay condo HOA fees.

Just curious why do you think a condo would be easier to manage than a single-family house?  For me, the system and process are pretty much the same.  I could see have less cap ex cost but the airbnb management is likely going to be pretty similar.  I use yourporter and pricelabs to help automate my unit.

Hi Jonathan, for me I see the grounds, pool/hot tub, building maintenance as being much more involved in a SFR as opposed to a condo. Maybe there's not much there but no liability for constant pool maintenance alone seems to be a significant issue...maybe it's not and I'm over-thinking it but I know in the areas we're looking that we'll definitely need a pool to compete.

I appreciate the info and knowledge.  I'll definitely look at yourporter and pricelabs once we get a bit further along.

Originally posted by @Melissa Bovee:

When I was looking to buy in the Lake Tahoe area I did extensive analysis on the rental markets and found that cash flow was much higher for a condo. It turned out (in my market at the time) that rental rates were much more stronly correlated with number of bedrooms than property type. Therefore, I could command similar rental rates for a 4 bedroom condo and a 4 bedroom SFH, however the purchase price of a SFH was about double that of a condo. I bought in an HOA that is very friendly to short term rentals (the entire area depends heavily on tourism). My HOA dues don't kill my cash flow at all, and I love that someone else is worrying about snow removal, gardening, maintenance of the pool and hottub etc. The HOA is actually a perfect fit for me to be able to offer ammenities that I would not be willing to maintain remotely. I also love that if something crazy is going on at my unit (think water running into the street due to a burst pipe - this happened not at my condo but a place I once owned in Chicago) I know that the on site grounds and maintenance manager will text me right away. My experience with a condo has been great, so I wouldn't rule condos out. When you are running numbers in different markets, include a condo or two to see how they shake out. In my view there are a lot of benefits and if the numbers work, why not?

Hi Melissa,

Thanks for your input! This is exactly why I posed this question, I keep finding instances where condos could prove to be an attractive first step into the STR world. My biggest concern is being able to compete effectively against others in a condo complex. It seems like in the areas I've been scoping out that there is decent acceptance of STRs in condo complexes, but it definitely will take some additional work w/the RE agent to make sure.

All of your points about managing and having the maintenance handled by someone else is SUPER attractive. I am so on the fence about which way to go because of it. I think we'll be forced to learn more (and quicker) if we take on a SFR, but the savings from no HOA (would not buy a home in an HOA from afar) could be easily offset because of the mistakes I KNOW we'll make by not being local.

Originally posted by @Cris Normandt:

Be aware of litigation issues on condos. In my limited experience with them, they can be hit or miss. SFR or even multi-family 1-4 units could be a great unit. Make sure to do extensive interviews on your RE team wherever you decide to invest. Just curious, what is making you want o invest outside of MI instead of in your home state?

 Hi Cris, thanks for the info.  I can see where the condo route would potentially be a trap of many, many restrictions.

In Regards to your question about going outside of Michigan, my original plan was just to purchase a vacation home somewhere warm that my family can enjoy. Then I happened to mention sharing a purchase with a friend, and he got me looking into this into a potential STR and we've been banging away at learning the ropes ever since.

My plan now is to purchase a property from MI and manage from here, somewhere south, and learn the ropes.  From there the plan will be to look at other potential locations and build up from there.  My wife and I are in our late-40s and looking to retire from corporate life in the next 5-8 years and I am looking for my next adventure!  

Hi everyone,

Just working through learning as much as I can on the STR markets and trying to gage what most people think about condos/townhomes vs single family homes as investments...I'm trying to weigh the benefits of each against the drawbacks, knowing that I will be investing in a market (most likely) out of state (living in MI, looking at FL, TX, Gulf Coast region).

My thought is that a single family home STR will be more work to manage from distance but will also force me to learn quickly on all aspects whereas a condo might be a bit easier to manage but cash flow will be lower as most/all have fairly high HOA/dues. Plus, it seems like differentiating the property to have a decent occupancy rate would be harder in a condo.

Anyone else worked through this, and what would you recommend to a new investor?

Just wanted to quickly say THANKS to everyone for the insight!  I'm new to the game and even newer to this website and community.  I'm very grateful to have found you all and look forward to growing and learning.  My desire is to be able to also give back to this community once I get my bearings!

Peace!

I'm looking for a general rule-of-thumb for estimating the percentage of gross income used for paying for a management company to handle an STR. I realize this is likely very location specific, so I'd look at somewhere like Orlando, FL where the market is hyper-competitive as a "worst case" scenario.

As background, I am very new to the idea of STR properties as an investment option and am trying to wrap my head around how best to evaluate properties.

I tried searching for this topic but had mixed results on the site, not sure if there's any simple tips/tricks to it as i'm guessing this is only the 1,000,000th time this question has been asked...

Thanks!

Mike