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All Forum Posts by: Mike H. Jones

Mike H. Jones has started 2 posts and replied 34 times.

Post: Next Hot Area In Atlanta To Invest (Fix & Flip)

Mike H. JonesPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 77

You're right on the money as far as locations and price to value. 

The thing about Grove Park is it's proximity to Midtown,  the development of Westside Reservoir Park, Bellwood Quarry, Northside Drive, GT, Howell Mill Rd, the quiet kept but thriving Riverside communities and Moore's Mill Road. 

I love this area is terms of potential and proximity. One of the issues I have with the area is the topography and landscape. It kind of makes the area unattractive. A lot of open fields with withered trees and what looks like fields of thorns and shreds on tree bark. This isn't in all of the areas, but once you head above Donald Lee Hollowell you'll notice it. Trees in Atlanta are usually what attract people, but the ones here can keep the light out most times and as a result it looks dark outside about an hour or so before it should. I'd give this area a A in terms of development potential to price ratio, but only a C or so for attractiveness

East Point and Hapeville are hidden gems. Close to the airport, all major highways, less than a 15-20minute scenic route ride from the cities, and another 15min or so drive outside of rush hours. A great sense of community in both cities. Hapeville has higher cost housing/better architecture and more amenities, while East Point offers a greater sense of City, proximity to Atlanta and greater appreciation based on CoA developments. The Aerotropolis Atlanta development which encompasses both cities also makes the rumblings that much louder.

If we're talking about developing areas ITP, all three of these areas would be Top 5 or so on my list (in terms of areas seeing great amounts development and appreciation, rather than areas who have already seen both and are only experiencing marginal changes now). I'd say these areas rank at a B+/A- in terms of potential and and B+ in terms of attractiveness

Originally posted by @Raushanah Morgan:

Thank you @kelly rambo and eamonn McElroy! These are very helpful insights. In terms of up and coming areas - what are your thoughts on the Cascade Heights area and the Gresham Park areas?

Cascade Heights is probably one of the most underrated/undervalued areas in the entire CoA. 

Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

Interesting thread. 

Since I've been priced out of Pittsburgh now (not crying, since I still have 14 properties there), I'm now looking around the College Park area. I already own 2 vacant lots smack in the middle of the new 'Airport City' Development (they don't yet own all of the land that they're planning to build on) and am looking at a potential rental property or 2 around there. 

Also, they've since announced a higher density and are hoping for 10 million sqf on those 320 acres

Apparently they are expecting the type of density equal to 4 Atlantic Stations.

However, expected costs have risen another $2B or so from the initial $500M-$1B assessment, so I am not sure how that will affect the status of the project. I know they are still planning to break ground in the next two months, so that is good news.

There is also a Transit seminar today held by the Aerotropolis Alliance which will feature autonomous aerial pods, self driving vehicles, eletric routes, light rail (street cars), and more (within the 15 mile radius of the airport). Excited to see what comes of it. This will surely be a big feat, but hopefully they will be steadfast enough and able to build off Atlanta's/the Airport's momentum and follow through.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Xavier Parker let’s chat some more! 

I'm interested. I shot you over a PM Tyler

This thread is gold

Originally posted by @Marcus Quettan:

Huge thanks to everyone replying to this thread!  I'm most definitely going to be acting upon each of your bits of advice as they're invaluable.

@Matt Wood:  Will do!   Solid cash reserves will definitely be a must for me to keep my sanity with an asset that old.

@Ethan Atkinson:  Unfortunately I just started looking in the past 2 weeks!  Thankfully I am in no particular rush to find a place so if I've got to keep looking for the next few years I gladly will.  Two questions.  What was the party that happened 12 months ago?  Any particular reason you suggest triplex or quad?  I was thinking duplex solely so that I could very easily afford to pay the mortgage alone if I had any extended period of vacancies.  This will be my first property so I'm a bit risk averse.

@Mike H. Jones: Got it! Thank you for the actionable location.  I think I'm going to drive by around there just after work today!

@Rick Baggenstoss and @Michaela G.:  Oh!  That's a great idea!  Seems obvious now but I didn't think about searching through Atlanta based upon the zoning classifications.  Nor did I think about how zoning affects my ability to legally remodel into a Duplex.  Thank you!

No problem. Most are the worthwhile duplexes (2 story, brick, 2000+ sq ft, 6BD 4BA) are along Donald Lee Hollowell and in pockets (so you'll have to drive down streets you may otherwise overlook). On one hand, the location/surrounding area may not be desirable atm, while on the other hand, with the development of the Westside Reservoir Park (walking distance) and overall development in Atlanta, these homes can be worth $500k+ within a few years, and that's not even mentioning the rents.

Happy hunting!

Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

@Mike H. Jones , I don't know what COA is. I also don't really think the Super Bowl will have much of an influence on Pittsburgh,, maybe more Vine City. I hope Amazon moves here, but that's still in the clouds. 

Pittsburgh Yards development at 352 University broke ground in March and they're working heavily on the demolition right now. 

City of Atlanta. And I think the Super Bowl will act as a stimulus in attracting more people and development to the city, and of course it would same thing with Amazon, but yes, this is still pure speculation. 

And thanks for the update!

Originally posted by @Michaela G.:
Originally posted by @Mike H. Jones:

I know you have to be reaping so many benefits from investing in Pittsburgh at that time. Everyday I check there is another home for $160k+ on the market when it could have been bought for less than $25k back in 2009-2014. Can only imagine if you had 10+ of these properties.

 Yep, the upper end is in the mid 200's now. I have 14 properties there- 1 of them is a triple lot, so it could be 16 properties ;-)

Exactly! And I was trying to keep the numbers modest haha. Congrats to you. The beautiful part about it is that this likely isn't even the peak as the developments have only been announced/transacted and haven't been acted on as of yet (I don't believe so anyway). And gosh the geographical location is on par with some of the best in the entire COA (without question in the Top 5). Post Super Bowl will be amazing for you, and let's not even mention Amazon moving here. I think its safe to say someone will certainly be able to retire and ride off into the sunset off of 4 to 5 properties alone!

Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

I've been investing in the so-called hood - Pittsburgh community. I bought after the market crashed and investors were telling me that I'm crazy. 

Tenant pool is difficult to deal with, because low-income people don't typically have any savings. So, when an emergency happens, rent money is what's being used, because eviction takes a while and they figure that they can catch up before that happens. But they don't. And when you evict resentment sets in, especially, if you're white and you're working in a black neighborhood. 

Since I intentionally bought properties that were next to each other, as I knew the value of an assemblage and knew that the Beltline was going to come, as well as the Pittsburgh Yard development, I created creative communities with those connected units. 

All artists, musicians, creatives. They come from all over Atlanta, because they like the concept and love to hang out with other creatives. So, I have now changed the tenant pool for my properties and it's like night and day from when I was dealing with the normal tenants in the area. 

I would do that again in a heartbeat with a small multi-family property in the hood - D, but not F area. Something with 10-12 units, that can be fenced and be its own little island. 

Creatives love to hang with other creatives and it's a draw. While I have fewer people to chose from, I'm offering something that they can't get anywhere else. 

I know you have to be reaping so many benefits from investing in Pittsburgh at that time. Everyday I check there is another home for $160k+ on the market when it could have been bought for less than $25k back in 2009-2014. Can only imagine if you had 10+ of these properties.

Most of the duplexes are in NW Atlanta above Joseph E Boone and below Perry Blvd