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All Forum Posts by: Mike Gratzmiller

Mike Gratzmiller has started 3 posts and replied 11 times.

Quote from @Matthew Crivelli:
Quote from @Mike Gratzmiller:

Also... what is constitutes a point?!!!


 1pt = 1% of the total loan amount. 

Since I'm so new... I think I was asking the wrong question.  there has been a few responses about the 1pt = 1%.  And I believe I understand that now... what I was ultimately asking was how much does a point affect the rate... and from what I understand now... purchasing 1pt would drop my rate by .125

6.375 = current rate

buying 1 point drops current rate to 6.25

buying 2 points would drop the rate to 6.125

and so on... correct?  any thoughts


Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

The lender would let you know how many points . Every 1 point is 1% of the loan amount . You take the savings per month and see how many months to get the money back via monthly savings and think if you will refinance or sell before then 


 Jacob... thanks!!  I am in this thing long term... at least at this time that's the plan.  So the $$ to buy the points down looks enticing... plus if you factor in the cost to refi in the future (approx $2500) if the rates drop... I think it's smart to buy down now... and let it ride.

Quote from @Fred Helm:
Hey Mike, to answer your question, "So if you could answer what exactly a point is..."  A point is 1% of the loan amount.  So if a loan amount is $100,000.00 a point is $1000.00.  

Thank you Fred... I was just informed from my mortgage company that in their eyes a point = .125 so if my rate is currently 6.375 buying 1pt would drop it to 6.250.  The amount that you have referenced helps me too... I think.  I'm going back to the mortgage company to ask exactly how much 1pt costs, and if the points change in cost per point or they stay the same amount because ultimately its 1% of the purchase price... which isn't changing unless I put more down. what are your thoughts on that?  
Quote from @Jack Matthias:
Quote from @Mike Gratzmiller:

Jack... 3-4years... there's no telling where the market will go in that time?  I'm in this house for the long term.  after 3-4 years... it starts paying me back, in theory, correct?  I appreciate your thoughts because I def didn't think about refinancing.  What is the "typical" cost to refinance?

Ok... this is starting to make sense... thank you for your time!!

 You are correct after the 3-4 years then you start to see the benefit of it. It all depends on the market. Here in Chicago it's around $2,500 but I cover that for all of my past clients. A point is how much your buying down your rate. 1 point is equal to 1% of your loan amount. But how much a point buys your rate down depends on the pricing spread. Hope this helps!


Jack... 3-4years... there's no telling where the market will go in that time?  I'm in this house for the long term.  after 3-4 years... it starts paying me back, in theory, correct?  I appreciate your thoughts because I def didn't think about refinancing.  What is the "typical" cost to refinance?

Quote from @Ko Kashiwagi:

Hi Mike,

Did you ask the lender how much it would cost? They should be able to tell you the percentage in points. If you are looking for comparison between market rates, it's a good idea to get a quote from another lender so you can see what makes more sense.

Ko the cost is $3,150.  I don't even know what a point is... that's my question.  I'm already in bed with this lender.  I'm at the finish line... so I'm weighing my decisions on this loan with this lender.  So if you could answer what exactly a point is... would 1 point take my rate of 6.275 down to 6.175?  that's my real question... the follow up question is... do you think it's worth $3,150 to go from 6.275 to 5.75 on a 30 year traditional loan?

looking for advice on Points buy down... Loan of $162,000 (SFH) is currently at 6.275. I'm being told I have the option to buy it down to 5.75. How many points would that be? Do you think it's worth the $$ to do so... approx $3,150 to make that move.

Appreciate any and all advice... I'm a first time buyer.

Have you gone ahead with your plan on converting the garage?  I have a similar plan... there is a studio apartment underneath the garage.  I'm planning on renovating the studio and living there... while renting out the 2+2 house.  I'm trying to determine if there's any issues with what I have planned?  I'd like to complete the purchase and get the studio live in ready within a few months... then rent the house to off set the mortgage!!  I'll report back... but any advice you have would be greatly appreciated!!



Quote from @David Ten:
Quote from @Jephte Augustin:

Turning your garage into living space is not as difficult as you think. I believe it is a great strategy for those who are looking to get into real estate investing using a home they already possess. You can transform a space that you merely use for storage into a cash-flowing rental to subsidize your mortgage, your bills and other household expenses.

My journey to house hacking

In Spring 2022, my neighbor mentioned he had started renting out the Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU) on his property on AirBNB. When he shared the numbers with me, I knew instantly that it was the opportunity I was looking for to start my real estate investing journey. You see, we lived in a great market that offered ample opportunity

1) There are three major universities/colleges within a 5 -mile radius. College students and their parents were constantly visiting the area.

2) There are two major hospital systems within a 10-mile radius. Traveling nurses and other medical professionals are in demand. As a matter of fact, my family moved to that location because my wife happens to work at one of those major hospitals.

The issue is we didn't have an ADU as my neighbor did. Around the same time, BP started posting YouTube videos of the ADU Guy, Derek Sherrell (see video below) which planted the seed of converting my garage into livable space. My garage was a similar foot print; he shared the blueprint he followed; I was sure I could do this.


But self-doubt crept in: Could I do it? Would my wife be onboard with that idea? How would I finance it? What if this business doesn't work? I had failed at multiple business ventures before. 

All these questions swirled in my head as I contemplated this project. I came up with the framework below for making the decision to pursue the project. I'm hoping this framework helps you out as well.

1) I assessed impact of garage conversion on the value of the property

2) I determined whether it is legal to convert the garage into a living space.

3) I assessed the financial viability of the project with available sources of funding.

Assessing impact of garage conversion on the value of the property
Before I started, I assessed whether the garage conversion would be advantageous for us. I reached out to a real estate agent asked the following questions:

When I'm done with this project, and after adding 400 square feet to my house

Question 1 - What can I expect it to sell for if I decide to sell?

Question 2 - What do similar houses that have a garage sell for?

In my case, my real estate agent ran comparables that showed the sale price of a house without a garage could justify the investment, meaning the amount I was planning to invest plus the current value of the house was less than or equal to the ARV. Furthermore, the difference in sale prices between houses with garages and those without was minimal. These two factors were strong indications that we would gain additional equity, and maybe even increase our net worth.

While it might be tempting to think that there is no way a house with an extra mother-in-law suite will be less valuable than a house with parking, it is worth making sure that you will have adequate equity when the project is done, and that you are not overbuilding the house.

Assessing the financial viability of the project with available sources of funding

I ran this analysis by comparing my net worth before and after the project was complete, with estimated values is whether my net worth increased when I move the dollars in my bank account into the property. If the funds are in HELOC, a retirement account of some sort, run a similar analysis.

Net worth = Assets - Liabilities

In my case, I made sure  value of my house increased (Asset) relative to the funds I took for a cash-out refinance I did to access the funds for the renovation (Liability). The goal was to increase my equity into the property by more than the cash I took from the house. I can share numbers in a different post.

Determining whether it is legal to convert the garage into a living space.

I contacted the city planner to determine whether the construction was allowed. I wanted to know if there were restrictions that would keep me from making the conversion of the garage. I was informed that Accessory Apartments for a member of the family was permitted, and that they have to be located within the dwelling. What that really means that I can't claim the suite as a separate apartment (a.k.a. not a duplex); I could not add a range/oven for cooking. That was ok with me since we weren't interested in converting the house into a duplex anyway; we just wanted a space that was separate from the main house to rent out.

All these factors worked out and led us to make a move to do the garage conversion. We currently rent the unit out as an MTR during the slow season and an STR during the spring and summer.


 Hi,

Nice share. I just about to start doing it, but in my case is not allowed converting garage, but...

I am allowed to build living space / residential accessory (bedroom) without permit as long following the building code and not greater than 120 SQFT / accessory. But I'm little bit frustrated right now about the HELOC for funding, because My DTI.


Post: Reverse House Hack?

Mike GratzmillerPosted
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I am looking at a property that has two structures.  The main house 2+2 and the garage with a studio apartment located underneath.  I want to live in the studio and rent the house.  So I guess it's not "reverse" but normally I see house hackers renting out rooms within their main house, this is different.  Anyway... is this considered house hacking?  Or just renting a stand alone property?  Both structures are on same lot and have same utilities but are not connected in any way.  I'd like to start renting the main house asap!!!  any advice?