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All Forum Posts by: Mike Gehard

Mike Gehard has started 3 posts and replied 9 times.

@Ben Durwood

yes I have gotten into some syndications.

A lot of good lessons in this thread. The biggest lesson I learned is that syndication investing is a relationship game. Find people you trust.

secondly, pick good markets. 


the rest is about the deal and there are lots of ways to slice them. Key is to make sure the underwriting meets your risk profile.

Post: Tax writeoff for travel?

Mike GehardPosted
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Hello all!

I'm looking into investing into a commercial syndication in the southeast.

The question I had is if I take a trip to the city of the investment, is the trip tax deductible?

Does the deduction depend on the ration of business to pleasure? Yes I'll be doing some sight seeing while I'm down there.

Originally posted by @Mike Taravella:

Hello @Mike Gehard

Like everyone before I would recommend a securities attorney.

Also when it comes to analyzing PPMs is there a particular investing strategy or asset class that interests you?

I'm currently looking into multifamily apartments because that's where I started. I'm looking to branch out into other asset classes once I get my first investment started here.

Hello all!

I'm getting to the point in my multifamily syndication LP journey where I need help analyzing PPMs.

I was hoping to tap into the knowledge here around two things:

1. Would it be better to use a syndication lawyer over a general real estate lawyer?

2. Does anyone have recommendations of who to talk to?

My goal with talking to someone is to gain the skills necessary after reviewing a couple to review a PPM on my own.

Thanks!

Originally posted by @Jeff Kehl:

@Mike Gehard Why specifically are you looking into Multi-family syndications? Is it because you have some capital to invest and met a syndicator offering great returns? 

I ask because I think that is a fairly common scenario these days and I think before you go that direction you should look into all the opportunities available to you.

Even just sticking with Commercial real estate, you could look at syndications in Retail, Office, Industrial, Residential and many other miscellaneous things. 

Or, you could look at things like oil & gas or farm or timber land.

Why not self-storage or mobile-home parks?

Assuming you have settled on multi-family, why not just invest in a stock like Avalon Bay instead of a syndication? Or, why not buy an apartment building directly yourself?

How much of your total portfolio do you intend to put into this particular investment?

I'm not trying to say a passive investment in a multi-family property is a bad idea, I have 3 myself right now.

But, I think it's important to take a more holistic and proactive approach with what you are doing with your investment dollars. 

I like your idea of holistic/proactive approach.

I decided to start in multifamily because I did meet a sponsor/syndicator that opened my eyes to that asset class. I'm now casting a new wider in this class simply out of ignorance for the other classes that you mentioned. Also, multi family feels familiar to me which makes it easier to wrap my head around.

Do you have suggestions for finding opportunities (syndication or not) in those other asset classes/ways of investing? I'm open to researching them and I'm sure I'll be able to wrap my head around those as well. :-)

I'm focused on passive investing right now due to the perceived "ease of use". I already have a full time job so I'm just looking for some diversification of investment without a lot of active work that would come from buying an apartment building.

Thanks for opening my eyes to other options and questions to ask myself...time to do a little research. Any tips you have for finding opportunities in those other asset classes are welcome.

Originally posted by @Megan Hodges:
@Mike Gehard If you don’t mind me asking, what is a “passive” multi-family deal?

A deal where I am a limited partner by bringing money into the deal but don't have any responsibility for managing/running the property.

Originally posted by @Sam Grooms:

@Mike Gehard, when I started investing passively in multifamily syndications, the first thing I did was identify the markets I wanted to invest in. This was most important to me. I can find sponsors in any market, but I don't want to bet my money that Cleveland is turning around any time soon. I wanted markets with the highest population growth, highest job growth, highest rent growth, lowest unemployment, etc. You could argue that these aren't that important for a 2-3 year hold on a value add play, but they're insurance in case something goes wrong. If I have to hold for 10 years instead of 3, I want to be in an appreciating market. Next, I looked at the sponsors doing deals in those markets. You can find transaction summaries from the big advisors/brokerages, and that will tell you who is active in that market. I then researched those sponsors' investment strategy, usually through their website. I knew I wanted someone doing value-add, likely with a cash out refinance after repositioning. Lastly, hop on a call with the sponsor to make sure you're comfortable with them. And yes, past performance is important. I think that's more important that doors under management or assets under management. 

My thought process for this route is that since those sponsors are the most active in that market, they're getting the best deals. They have a relationship with all of the brokers in that market. They have a pretty established team in that market, from property manager to construction crew. 

Sure, you could go with a sponsor that hops around the country with their deals, but they're likely seeing the deal second or third in line (still off-market, but after the more active players in that market). They also might not know the intricacies of that market. Where is development happening, which areas are turning around, which areas are getting worse, etc. Many developments take years to break ground, so you might not know just by driving the neighborhood that there will soon be new development next door. 

Notice I've only talked about location and sponsor so far. Those give you a foundation for good deals. You still have to inspect every deal you want to invest in, but it's likely not worth your time if the foundation isn't very strong. 

Deal level inspection: Look at who the property manager is for the deal. How many doors do they have under management (this is an area where # of doors definitely does matter)? Do they have experience with repositions? 

Also, when looking at a deal, you want to know every assumption the sponsor made in calculating their returns. You need to know how those assumptions affect your return. The easiest way is through a sensitivity analysis. A lot of sponsors have started providing this with their investment summary, but there's no way to provide one for every assumption (they'll usually pick 1-3 assumptions to provide this for). What happens if rents are $50/mo lower than what they projected? This can have a huge affect on your return. You also need to ask the sponsor to support their assumptions. Why are they using 3% rent growth instead of 2%? Why are they using 1% higher cap rate on the exit, instead of keeping it the same? (this is a good thing, but you should still know why, and how this assumption could change your return). 

Limited partners still need to be educated enough to understand all of these risks. The SEC actually requires it for non-accredited investors. Sophisticated investor means sophisticated. 

Thanks Sam...all great information. As I'm just looking into this as a strategy I haven't thought about getting in touch with many syndicators. I was introduced to one and have been using that as my one data point.

Your thoughts lead me to believe that it is time to branch out and talk to more to get a better idea of what is out there.

Any tips on good sources of leads for someone with capital to invest but that lacks a network?

Originally posted by @Charley C.:

Mike, what area do you reside? 

I'm currently in Colorado.

Hello all,

I'm looking into my first multi family passive investment and trying to dot all of the i's and cross all of the t's before signing on the dotted line to protect everyone involved.

How deeply do I need to dig into the sponsor, deal and location? I've read that the sponsors are the most important one to research. 

What kind of information do people look for when choosing a sponsor to go with?

How important is seeing the sponsor's past performance on deals? Is the number of doors under management enough? Is past performance of the property management company enough?

The deeper I dig the more I realize this is a relationship/trust situation and sometimes that doesn't show up in the numbers.

Thanks in advance,

Mike