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All Forum Posts by: Mike B.

Mike B. has started 8 posts and replied 377 times.

Post: Wholesaling - Is It About to Change?

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
  • Votes 349
Originally posted by @Elbert D.:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @John K.:

I am not going to comment on the bill or what the state of Illinois thinks it's going to stop, by writing this into law. Instead I will point out some actual facts that should have been considered, prior to wasting taxpayer resources. 

I won't pretend to know the motivation behind the state's desire to draft this bill, because I was never invited to the discussion. I will simply go on a limb and say that one of those factors, was probably this gross misconception that we steal equity, and I would guess that it's this 50% number that has the "ouch" factor. 

It would be my guess that the wholesaling industry makes up less than half of 1% of the overall market, or worse. That alone should have been enough to make anyone realize that this law is going to have zero effect, overall. However, it's easy to say that the investor industry out numbers wholesalers, by a bunch. Would 100x, 1000x or more, be reasonable? 

Now I would suspect that those agents/brokers and investors themselves, that are quick to put a wholesaler on blast for their thievery, utilize the very popular 70% rule when it comes to evaluating a property. This of course means that according to that rule, you should never offer more than 70% of its value. Now I have no idea who came up with this rule, but I feel comfortable in saying that it was NOT a wholesaler. So let's see what that looks like, in real numbers. 

Little bit of a test here.

Subject Property
3/2 1800 sq ft. ARV 200K
Needs the following:  HVAC system replaced and updating of kitchen/baths, paint and floors. No other mechanicals are needed. 

Let's start:
200K ARV * .70 = 140K purchase price. Right out the door 30% equity, GONE!
For those that have actually renovated/updated a home of this size, what are the odds you get this done for 40K? Because if the 50% equity creates the problem, you only have 40k to spend to renovate and state within that 50% equity grab. Of course, this math only works if you do NOT use HML or private money, only if you use cash.

Let's be real. Doing a professional renovation on a 200K home that needs updating and an HVAC system, for 40K, is going to be very very difficult. With over 100 renovations to my credit, I can tell you the only way this stands a chance, is you have a rock start crew that turns this within 3 weeks, or you are stealing the material. 

To summarize my point in paragraph 3. If theft of equity was a strong motivator and investors grossly out number wholesalers, then by the popularity of the 70% rule, it would actually be the investors causing more of this problem, than us wholesalers. The irony that there are many agent/brokers that are investors themselves, and live by this rule, yet preach fiduciary responsibility, is not lost. 

However, I am not going to be the one that criticizes and then not offer an alternative view, in fact, a solution that apparently would satisfy all. 

If there is so much concern over the theft of equity, the solution is real easy. 

To the fine folks of BP that provide this great community for all of us to speak freely and offer advice. 

Would you please dropkick the 70% rule calculator out of the window, because it is causing a lot of stress for those brokers/agents and investors that have an issue with wholesalers bringing 50% deals, but they can only buy at 50%, themselves. 

Are all of you that are actual investors that fix/flip and buy/hold, willing to backup what you are arguing, by promising to only buy at 80% or higher, before repairs?

In the spirit of showing my flexibility, how about 70% or higher, before repairs?  I would be fine with either personally, as a wholesaler or investor. 

If so, please join me in my effort of asking BP to remove this calculator, or at least modifying it to say, 125%? I am open for negotiations, so whatever the majority thinks is fair, I am good with it.

I mean, it's in the best interest of the seller, right? 

for these very reasons wholesaler who have no clue which is unfortunately many.. they tie up property and never close.  thereby hurting sellers who thought they had a deal. and made other financial arranges because this nice wholesaler told them he would close with cash on a day of their choosing.. ever heard that one before LOL 

I agree with U on fix and flip..  buy and hold is different though in a hot market someone may take a 10% discount off of retail and be happy as heck.. 

That’s so funny.....I heard wholesalers telling s guy they can close on his 3 unit stone and brick that he was asking 250k in 7-10 days LOL....I wanna know what title company this guy used because after 3-5 days of the title search being ran that means the buyer has 250k liquid just landing around in a bank LOL  funny because of the time time those wholesalers don’t even have a buyer lined up already. It’s things like that which really p i s s off a lot of people. I don’t say nothing about people whom are new because I was new at a point  but after a year and a half or two and your still doing the exact same thing. That’s saying something. 

With all due respect, just because you can't close in 7-10 days doesn't mean everyone can't. 

I wholesaled a Pilsen property to @Chris Titcomb, he performed in 4 days. I have used @Yan P. to finance several deals within 7 days (He doesn't't prefer it, but always gets it done). I've used Barrister Title, Network Title and GNT Title to close within 7 days on several deals as well. A delay will pop up here and there but it usually has to do with the water reading or zoning cert...not about funds to close.

I agree with everyone in regards to ethics. The bulk of my deals come from time sensitive properties. 

-Someone was left a property that they can't afford via probate and they want out yesterday. They were barely making it with their own bills and now have an additional house filled with expenses that they can't keep up with. 

-Pre-foreclosures with a 30 day or less sale date. If someone doesn't show up with cash right away, the bank takes it and they get nothing.

-Hoarders who are too embarrassed to let you take pictures let alone advertise to the public that they live this way.

-The rental owner whose tenants stopped paying rent and can't afford the mortgage.

-The cancelled/expired listing who was previously lied to by a RE agent and overpriced their house to secure a listing. They are now frustrated, have a bad taste in their mouth in regards to RE agents and just want out.

Quite honestly, the law doesn't affect me negatively as my company is licensed...as a matter of fact, we're working with our lawyer now to see how we can market to wholesalers to sell their deals for them. When life hands you lemons...

Post: :) New Investor - Little Village, Chicago

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
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Hi @Account Closed, I invest in both areas. Welcome to the neighborhood!

Post: Gut rehab - Chicago northside (Edgewater) 2 flat

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
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@Brie Schmidt is spot on. Keep in mind that those numbers wouldn't typically include any exterior work (roof, tuct pointing, siding, garage, landscaping, sidewalks, etc...)

Post: Opinion on Staging a Flip?

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
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@Sean M. $2 per sq ft based on 3 months. I typically use Phoenix Home Rising in the Chicagoland area.

Post: Wicker Park/Logan Square House Hack

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
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I agree with @Jake Fugman. While I love to eat, drink and shop in the neighborhoods you're currently looking at, you're going to end up buying at the top of the market there. Irving Park, Avondale and Albany Park may be slightly better options with more upside potential. 

Post: Opinion on Staging a Flip?

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
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I'm in Chicago and I typically stage everything that's open concept and/or if there are small rooms that I need help showing the potential to prospective buyers. This is a decision I make before purchase and add the staging cost to the overall numbers when determining whether it's a deal I want to pursue.

Post: Potential asbestos - what do i tell the tenant

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
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Most likely asbestos doesn't make it asbestos. If it never gets tested then it's never confirmed. Keep that in mind.

Post: Looking to invest in the Chicago area

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
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The short answer is yes. There are a few strategies you can use but the most profitable would probably be to buy a distressed 2-4 unit. Finance the property purchase and rehab through a hard money lender. When the rehab is complete, refinance with a bank. If you do it right you'll be able to pay off the hml, get all of your money back (possibly more) and do it again to another property. You should be able to achieve this using about $100k of the 200-300k that you have. See the process through first hand with a portion of the money rather than diving all in and maxing out your budget. 

Post: Chicago Wholesale Deal

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
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Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) wholesale investment.

Purchase price: $340,000
Cash invested: $1,000
Sale price: $440,000

Contributors:
Yan P.

I got the property under contract direct with the seller. Found a buyer while trying to wholesale the property. I decided to double close the transaction due to the profit margin. HUD attached on my profile deals.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

The value of the building vs what the owner was asking.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

A RE broker brought me the deal off market. There wasn't much of a negotiation. I gave the seller what he was asking.

How did you finance this deal?

Yan from Armitage St LLC did the transactional funding.

How did you add value to the deal?

By finding the end buyer?

What was the outcome?

A good pay day.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

The property was set up as a 5 unit building, but it only came back as 4 units when we got the zoning back. The end buyer tried to negotiate down but we held the line and didn't move on price.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I would absolutely recommend Yan for any of your funding needs. I've closed several deals with him and he's been a pleasure to work with throughout the years.

Post: Bandit Signs- Are they legal in Chicago,Illinois?

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
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Get a burner number, put them up late friday afternoon, take them down Sunday night (if you want to keep the signs). If you're willing to lose the signs just keep them up and let it ride. They won't be able to trace the number back to you for the fine.