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All Forum Posts by: Mike Barron

Mike Barron has started 2 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: New investor first deal crisis

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by Siobhan Colwell:

What should be my main focus points when negotiating the deal.

Find out as much information about the property before you meet with the potential seller. Get a list of comps. You have to know what your MAO is before you can negotiate anything. Can you estimate repair costs accurately?


What should I bring?

I always bring a notepad for noting repairs, a flashlight, a camera or smartphone, and of course all the paperwork I'm going to need (e.g. contracts).


What do I tell the title company if we negotiate a price and sign the contract? How do I actually explain this to the title company?

Do you have a title company to work with? Have you spoken to one? Once you work with a title company, it's as simple as dropping off the paperwork, EMD, and giving them contact information and any special instructions.


Who do I make pay for cost to pull title should it be me or the end buyer?

This should be stated in your contract. Is the buyer paying closing costs, or are you splitting them? Some title companies want paid upfront, so you might have to put up the money. Once you use a title company a few times, you should be able to settle everything at closing.


Is the one page assignment contract enough for the deal or do I need to separate contracts for the deal?

Not sure what you mean here. You should have a "Purchase Contract" for the seller and an "Assignment Contract" for the end buyer.


What would be a best and simple way to explain the earnest money deposit?

No need to explain the EMD. I haven't found a motivated seller yet that has asked me anything about the EMD. Just bring a money order to the title company for the amount of the EMD, and they'll open escrow.

Post: Earnest Money? Security Deposit? Help please

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by Aaron Yates:

An active wholesaler should be able to tell you how they handle the EMD. People like to say they offer $1-$100 but I can't believe any seller would only take that amount. Generally $1000 is a great EMD if you have it to work with.

The EMD amount truly can make or break the deal whether you plan to wholesale or not. If you offer $25 EMD and another buyer offers $1000 EMD for your house, which one are you going to take? Assuming the purchase price is the same. And in fact, people offering the higher EMD but lower purchase price often get the deal over the lower EMD offer.

I do $20 EMD all the time. When you have someone that is truly motivated to sell their home for whatever reason, the last thing they care about (and in most cases don't understand) is the EMD. They only see the light at the end of the tunnel. I've never had a seller question the EMD.

As for the competition ($25 vs $1000 EMD); generally when people are contacting you, there is no competition. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I've never lost a deal because of it.

Just my .02

Originally posted by Brian Stone:

I searched, didn't find anything on here about this, but I keep reading everywhere that *I* need to put an earnest money deposit on a house I will be wholesaling. So I have a contract written up that says I will put $25.00 in earnest money into escrow (which I know means to put it with the title company or a 3rd party). What exactly does this do for anyone? Why would I need to put earnest money into escrow? Does it help the seller understand that I am serious about the deal? Also, is it refundable to me? And, do I physically write the check in front of the seller and say "here is the earnest money check, which I am taking to my title company"?

Annnnd, I read on here somewhere that the person I assign my contract to, the assignee, needs to put a security deposit down. Is this necessary? And if so, is THAT refundable to the Buyer that I am assigning the contract to?

One more thing! On some contracts, I noticed that in the area of assignment to the assignee, that it says "pay an assignment fee of $______ (payable $________ with signing of contract and balance at close)." What does that mean?

What does "Payable $______ with signing of contract and balance at close" mean? If i want an assignment fee, cant i just put "assignment fee of $_______" and that's it?

Thanks to everyone for putting up with my newb questions.

Brian

When you take the paperwork to the title company, bring a money order in the amount of the EMD and they'll open escrow. That's it. You don't need show the seller anything unless they ask (I've never had this happen).

Always get a non-refundable deposit from your buyer, they'll have no issue with this if they are serious. If title issues arise that can't be resolved and the closing can't be completed, then the buyer get his/her deposit back. I have them make the check out to the title company and drop it off after I submit the paperwork. This deposit goes towards the assignment fee that you get at closing.

Here is how we state this in our "Assignment Contract"

"NOW THEREFORE for and in consideration of the sum of FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS, $5,000, and other good and valuable considerations the sufficiency of which is hereby acknowledged, Assignor has assigned, transferred, sold and conveyed and by these presents does hereby assign, transfer, sell and convey unto Assignee all of Assignor's right, title and interest in, to and under said Real Estate Purchase and Sale Agreement.

Assignor agrees to receive and Assignee agrees to pay $1,000 of said assignment consideration as a NON REFUNDABLE deposit with the remainder to be paid on the closing date of said Real Estate Purchase and Sale Agreement."

Post: Door/window signs

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6

I run into a lot of properties in my area just like you are describing. I imagine this happens all over the country.

It seems the banks are taking possession of the property and not completing the process to put the property in their name. I know the state of Indiana is working to force the banks to convey ownership once they take possession and are attaching liens to the property to force them to maintain the property and/or sell it.

I've had some people in the area tell me it's working, as the banks are moving quicker to sell the properties instead of sitting on them. I still see a lot of REO's sitting vacant though ...

Post: First property under contract need cash buyers. What do I do?

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6

Bandit Signs! We use bandit signs to market our properties and we receive 40-50 calls within the first couple of days. You have to filter out a lot BS, but it works. We also post our properties on Craigslist, but very rarely get any serious buyers from there.

Post: Wholesaling first tenant occupied rental property

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6

It looks like the best price I can get on this property is 17k, so I'm not sure I want to put it under contract. I think I'm going to pass on this property.

Post: Wholesaling first tenant occupied rental property

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6

I always do 30-40 pictures and a YouTube video for each property, which works well for most of my buyers, but I also get buyers from bandit signs and they usually want to walk through the property.

I'm hoping if I tell them the house is occupied, and send them to the video and picture links, they wont want to do a walk through. I'm not sure this will really work though and I'm afraid I'll lose some buyers because of it.

Post: Wholesaling first tenant occupied rental property

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6

I've been avoiding tenant occupied rental properties, but now I'm considering putting one under contract. I have two issues though.

1) I'm not sure how to show the property to multiple buyers with a tenant in place.

2) I don't know with 100% certainty if the property is a good deal.

Here's the details:

The property is a 3/1 @ 875sqft and is in good shape, but it could use a few upgrades along with a new roof. The upgrades would be around 7-9k. The owner has put in hardwoods, windows, and upgraded the bathroom and the kitchen.

The property is in a so-so neighborhood and comps put this property around 32k, and it is currently rented at $500 per month.

So, my questions are:

1) What's the best way to show a tenant occupied property to multiple buyers?

2) What price point makes this a good deal as a rental?

Originally posted by Wayne Brooks:
Noel Lumbo: There is a difference between "aiding people in a distessed situation" and "taking advantage of people in a distressed situation".

So every wholesaler takes advantage of people in a distressed situation? How is a wholesaler taking advantage of the broke landlord that can't keep with repairs, or is tired of dealing with deadbeat tenants, or can't pay a realtor, or is thousands behind in back taxes? Is there other alternatives for these people in these situations? I'm sure they'd like to hear them, as would I ...

So maybe they can make an extra 5k by selling the property themselves, but most don't want the hassle. They just want out.

Taking advantage? Please!

Post: Newbie from Northern Indiana (Fort Wayne/Indy)

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6

We're currently wholesaling in the Fort Wayne area along with areas in northwestern Ohio. The area is really depressed and the margins can be a bit thin, but there's money to be made. Welcome!

Post: Are vacant houses even worth pursuing? Look inside...

Mike BarronPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 6

In my area, 99.9% of the decent vacant homes I find are bank owned. The ones that aren't, are not worth the money to rehab them. I also learned early on that the public tax information doesn't always show the current owner when the property is bank owned. So you could waste a lot of time trying to contact people that no longer own the property. We find very few deals from driving for dollars because of this. Just my .02