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All Forum Posts by: Michael Weis

Michael Weis has started 6 posts and replied 28 times.

Quote from @Mike Lambert:

@Michael Weis

A few things here:

1. David Green's recipe works for out of state, not international. Trying to apply US recipes to Mexico generally won't work.

2. I'm not sure why you reached out to Sotheby's. Their properties aren't the best for investment (unless you're a high net worth individual) and they generally focus on lifestyle properties if I'm not mistaken.

3. I don't know what market you looked at (although I think I guessed) so it's difficult to comment on the competitive situation. Generally speaking, the Mexican market is way less saturated than the US market but there are exceptions and a 3 BR+ property won't save you there.

4. When you mentioned studios and 1 BR properties taking in upwards of $500k per year, I imagine you're talking pesos, not dollars.

5. I imagine that, in every market, there are listing with 85%+ occupancy. They're the best listings. With no experience out of your area and in STRs, I'm not sure that's the kind of occupancy you should be targeting.

I'm not sure there's a right agent. Working with an agent in Mexico is not the same as in the US. Most have only access to limited inventory, they don't have the same fiduciary duty and you have to make sure you don't get taken advantage of. I've never used an agent to buy properties there. I invest in developments nowadays but, even when I was purchasing properties, I did so directly from the sellers so I only dealt with agents on the sell side.

If I was in your situation, I would find the properties and then contact the listing agents. This way, you wouldn't depend on solely one agent to find properties and you wouldn't be overly dependent on advice that might be biased.

Hope this helps

Thanks for this detailed response. Lots to think about. Frankly, I started with Sotheby’s because I used to be with Sotheby’s and I trust the brand. In this case, tho, I don’t think I got someone experienced in this aspect of the market. 

Other than visiting and seeing properties in person, is there a way that you would recommend finding listings in Mexico? What are the best sources?

Quote from @Mike Lambert:

@Damon Aniton

This kind of general question is very difficult to answer. But it can be done and whether you'd do it, where, what kind of properties you'd buy, ... will depend on your objectives, financial resources, knowledge, connections, ...

Also, opportunities can be very different from country to country and within the same country, as it is within the US.

Financing could be different, when available, but a 100% cash investment can be more profitable than in the US, especially given the high interest rates.

My best advice is to be clear about your objectives and narrow down your options.


My wife and I are thinking seriously about investing in Mexico, somewhere that is a vacation destination where we could go once or twice a year that will also have the potential to bring in healthy income stream. Depending on what the property is, we could potentially do an all cash transaction, but I wonder if that would prevent us from further investments by tying up too much cash in a single deal. I've done a little exploration on the free AirDNA and it looks like there's potential to take in a significant amount of money from very modest sized properties. This would not be our first investment, but it would be our first foray into STR and buying out of our local market. Do you have any advice for someone doing this for the first time? Is it like @David Green says and start with an agent who is an expert in this kind of property and has his/her own investments? I spoke this evening with a Sotheby's agent in a market we are interested in and she was very down on the idea of STR, telling us that the competition was too much to make any money unless you had at least a 3BR. But AirDNA seems to show that there are studios and 1BR properties taking in upwards of $500k per year with 85-99% occupancy. That tells me that she's not the right agent at minimum, but I'm wondering how you go about even finding the right agent in a foreign country. Where would you start?

Quote from @Mike Wood:

@Michael Weis I just took my first section 8 tenant earlier this year, and like you, experienced delays. What I did was confirmed that the tenant had a current voucher (without a current voucher, forget about going any further in my opinion). Then I worked with the tenant and explained that they must pay the rent until her package is approved by the local HUD office and I start getting rent. The tenant agreed to pay weekly rent until the section 8 payments started, with any duplicate payments being returned to the tenant. Once they agreed, I collected the entire deposit from them. I did allow the tenant to move in before everything was finalized with section 8, based on the above.

In my case, it took 45 days for process to be completed with the local HUD office. It took just over 3 weeks for the landlord package and inspection to be completed, and 45 days to get the HUD contract finalized and section 8 rent to start (they did pay back rent from the inspection date).

If your local HUD office is similar to mine, they should pay you from the inspection date, so you will get back rent. But the risk is when that will happen. That also assumes you will allow them to move in with rent due and no contract with section 8.

If you have alot of market rate renters, I would personally pursue that over section 8.


 This sounds like a reasonable approach, but I would be extremely wary about allowing a tenant to move in before that process was completed. Everything else I've seen says don't let anyone move in until the Section 8 approval comes through. No lease, no keys, no nothing. This is someone who is already on Section 8, so they already have a voucher, but it would have to be transfered for her to rent my unit.

Quote from @John Underwood:

In my experience once the tenant is approved you can sign a lease and they will send you back pay to when the lease is signed.

Be patient it takes time, but is worth it. My section 8 tenants have been with me for many years.


 That's what is making me hesitant to just move forward with market rate renters at the moment. There are very few Section 8 rentals in my area, especially for the size unit we are offering. I feel that this is a potential renter who could be with us for a long time and will take good care of the unit. She's a former police officer with three kids. My wife, however, is not as patient as I am and wants us to not wait. Is there a way to move forward with other potential renters while waiting for potential renters, or are we opening ourselves up to legal problems by telling the Section 8 tenant she's approved but then moving forward with someone else because it's just taking too long?

We have approved our first Section 8 tenant for one of our units, but the processing time for the housing office is insane. The prospective tenant told us it will take the office up to 30 days just to get the landlord packet together for us. I really want to proceed with this tenant, but that just seems like an undue burden to keep the unit open until all that has taken place. We haven't signed a lease yet. We still have other applicants we could screen in the meantime, and a steady stream of calls from other people who still want to see the apartment. Since there's no lease, should we let the prospective tenant know that the only way we can keep the apartment available for her is to sign a lease and provide the full deposit pending the approval of the Section 8 office? Or should we just tell her that we we are going to continue to take applications and hope that the apartment is still available for her when Section 8 gets their act together? If we do the latter, we could potentially have a paying renter in much sooner. If we do the former, we run the risk of having the unit vacant for much longer than we would like.

Post: What do YOU mean by "gut reno"?

Michael WeisPosted
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Appreciate all these responses. So basically, when people who use the term are not talking about taking everything down to the studs, they're misusing the term. Thanks.

Post: What do YOU mean by "gut reno"?

Michael WeisPosted
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I hear a lot of people talking on podcasts and YouTube videos about gut renovations, but it has become clear that not everybody means the same thing. Some people seem to be referring more to cosmetic things like paint, flooring and windows, while others mean tearing everything down to the studs and replacing all the electrical and plumbing...basically replacing everything but the foundation and the framing.

When you say "gut reno" what do you think they mean?

@Christopher Liu that is super helpful. There's a lot of info out there about this particular development, so those stats should be readily available. Thanks a lot.