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All Forum Posts by: Michael Stults

Michael Stults has started 2 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: First Time Investment Property, How To Go About It?

Michael StultsPosted
  • Riviera Beach, MD
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Wow, so I spoke to the owners yesterday about how much they are asking for the property and it blew my mind. They are only looking at paying off the current loan of 72K.  This deal is becoming a reality for me.  The numbers that I've run so far look to be working out quite well.

I believe I will go the traditional route with this one now, so thank you for the suggestion @Elise Marquette.  At the moment, the property is off market.  How do I go about getting it put under contract and all that if so far, there has been no agents involved?  Do we get agents involved at this point?

Also, I would like to form an LLC for the property since my goal is to have all current and new assets out of mine and my wife's names. What sort of loan would I be in the market for at that point? A small business loan? I really appreciate all of the assistance with purchasing this property. Thank you all so much.

-Michael

Post: First Time Investment Property, How To Go About It?

Michael StultsPosted
  • Riviera Beach, MD
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Elise Marquette:

What is the need for creative financing? To me, this seems like a pretty vanilla deal. Put down cash as a down payment and finance the rest so that you aren't totally strapped for cash when you go to do renovations on the property. Plus, traditional financing will give you a much better interest rate than any sort of crazy hard money loan. 

 
@Elise Marquette

Hi Elise, I really appreciate your response.  My main reasoning for the creative financing was to potentially purchase the property outright, rehab it and then refinance it by possibly forcing appreciation.  You do make a great point though about it being a vanilla deal.  Being a first timer at this, I do wonder if the traditional way might be a better bet for me to get into real estate.  I'm talking with the owners now to establish a ball park of what they are asking for it.  I figure this will help me get the numbers as close to accurate as possible.  I'm fine with putting a down payment in cash, I more so am wanting to preserve as much of my capital as possible though since I use it for cash flowing in other vehicles. I mean, if I could cash flow from this property and still use most of my investment capital for options, I look at that as a win-win.  Thank you again for your advice.  I'll keep up to date on the progress of things.

-Michael

Post: First Time Investment Property, How To Go About It?

Michael StultsPosted
  • Riviera Beach, MD
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Ian Waters:

Michael,

Have they mentioned a price they would like to get for the house? If I understand most of the numbers you have provided based on $700 for rent, you would have to offer about 70K to make at least a 8% COC return with 14K (20%) down and 8% for closing costs or just shy of 5K. Depending on how much it would cost for the rehab, inventory, and market, there may be better returns on the 3 bedroom. There are a lot of factors to consider and I am not an expert, but I will help any way I can.

Ian



@Ian Waters

Hi Ian, I really appreciate the comments and assistance!  They haven't actually mentioned a price.  It sounds like that will help determine whether it is worth pursuing or not.  They seem eager to sell so I will ask about whether they have an amount in mind.  My main goal is to help them out of their current situation by providing a win-win scenario for all of us.  I'll ask them if they have a price in mind.  Again, much appreciated!!

Post: First Time Investment Property, How To Go About It?

Michael StultsPosted
  • Riviera Beach, MD
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

While on vacation with friends recently, it came to my attention that one of the couples there has a rental property in North Carolina that they are looking to sell in order to pay off some credit card debt.  It's currently off market and when I mentioned my interest in the property, they sounded quite eager to make something happen. I have been wanting to invest in cash flowing real estate for quite some time now and to me, this seems like a great opportunity for a win-win scenario for all involved.

At first, I mentioned ways for them to possibly run the property better after hearing their current circumstances, ie, I mentioned refi the current mortgage due to their current interest rate (believe it was 5 or 6% at the moment!) and the potential to turn it from a 2 bedroom to a 3 bedroom since the house is just about 1200sqft.  Even after all the logic, they definitely seem to want to sell rather than go those routes.  To me, this seems like an opportunity that has just fallen into my lap, that I could get my feet wet and learn from, all while helping them solve their problem. So I figured, if they didn't want to try to manage the property better in order to increase the cash flow of the property, I will.  

The house appears to be quite old, though looks to be in pretty good shape.  The AC unit is new and the bathroom has been remodeled but it will need a new roof at some point. I'm only going by a few old pictures and word of mouth of the owners at the moment but they have said they would get me updated pictures of the property and a layout of the house.  It's just about 1200 sqft and is a 2 bedroom, 1 bath.  There is currently a tenant that has been there for the past 2 years that they rave about.  The property itself has been maintained by a property management company since turning it into a rental almost a decade ago.  It seems like a great way for me to get into real estate investing being a first timer.

With the house currently "worth" 89k per Zillow, I've contemplated making an offer, paying cash for the down payment and going the traditional route. Then I thought, what if I could force appreciation out of the property by doing more of a BRRRR instead? Making a new roof, 3rd bedroom and maybe even a 2nd bathroom or half bath priority for the rehab. I am thinking of contacting the current property manager to see if they have any contractors they recommend in order to get estimates on the rehab work while also asking the current owners if they have any recommendations as well. The interesting part of the entire process is I would need to do all of this from out of state. I'm currently in Maryland, but the property in question is in North Carolina. I know investors do this sort of thing all the time. If they can do it, so can I. I believe this will provide an excellent learning experience into real estate investing as I go about this.

The current rent per the owners is $795 a month. Looking at rents in the area, it seems that is actually quite high for the area averaging more in the high $600 range. The 3 bedroom homes appear to be averaging $1100 a month in the area. As far as expenses, from what I'm being told, currently the tenant pays all utilities and maintains the lawn mowing. Property management is 10% of rent, the current owners trim bushes, clean up pine needles and pressure wash the house. There is currently a quarterly pest control contract which I'm told is $100. Property taxes look to be about $860 annually and there is no HOA. I think fees for setting up and maintaining an LLC for the property should be included in the expense category as well. Comps in the area appear to be all over the place, then again, I'm still trying to comprehend this info. I've seen anywhere from 35K-150K and trying to understand all this, has me wondering if what I'm planning to achieve will work.

My dilemma at the moment is how to go about things financially.  I originally considered making an offer, making the down payment myself and going through a bank for financing.  I believe that would be the easiest route for me to take in order to acquire the property but maybe not necessarily the best route.  The thing is, some of the cash I would have to use as a down payment, I currently use to generate monthly income in the options market.  I would rather be able to continue using most, if not all of that cash for options, while finding other ways to finance the property.  


So I could go the traditional route, but getting creative with the financing to me, seems to be a valuable skill to develop since I could potentially have both, a cash flowing property and cash for cash flowing the options market.  This would in turn open a world of opportunities for me.  I understand that being a first timer, I will most likely need to have some "skin in the game", I get it and am perfectly fine with that, so just lowering my initial cash output as much as possible would be a great start.

I know I can do this, I just feel I need a little guidance with the process and I figure, what better place to find that guidance than right here.  I guess where I'm getting at with this, is if anyone has recommendations on how to go about acquiring this property and/or the processes involved with acquiring this property, it would be much appreciated.  There have been other opportunities in the past that I had been blind to due to not being who I am today, now that I am seeing these opportunities in front of me, I want to act on them but feel a little guidance could help expedite the process.


-Michael

Post: My first property - "house hack"

Michael StultsPosted
  • Riviera Beach, MD
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

@Nathaniel Thomson

That sounds like an AWESOME House Hack to Rental investment.  Congrats!

As for the 2nd meter issue, would you be able to refi out of the VA to a different style of loan? If it was possible, I wonder if it would be worth it to try.

-Michael

I'm in the Riviera Beach area, just southeast of Baltimore City.  A majority of the meetups I've been looking into appear to be in the Owings Mills and BWI Airport area.  Will definitely do that.

Post: Laurel, Maryland flip 2019

Michael StultsPosted
  • Riviera Beach, MD
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Tech Cheng:

Thank you @Michael Stults & @Solomon Morris

We made a little profit since we had a hard money loan but learned a lot in the process

This is worth its weight in gold.

Post: Laurel, Maryland flip 2019

Michael StultsPosted
  • Riviera Beach, MD
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Congratulation @Tech Cheng on the flip!!

Welcome @Ed Stelle

Brand new investor here from Maryland as well.  

Have you looked into any of the Real Estate meetups through the forums?  Many local ones constantly going on all through out Maryland.  I plan to go to my first one quite soon. 

Post: New to bigger pockets

Michael StultsPosted
  • Riviera Beach, MD
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 6

Welcome @John L Payne

This site is GREAT! Have been here a couple weeks if that and have been learning new things everyday. So many knowledgeable people here to learn from and network with. Hoping the best for your REI future.