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All Forum Posts by: Michael Peters

Michael Peters has started 12 posts and replied 214 times.

Thanks for all the input everyone!  Glad to here I wasn't missing anything.  I think I'm going to pass on the meeting for the test results.  I highly doubt we'll have elevated levels and if we do I'll treat this as normal.  The lawyer sounds like a scare tactic and I don't believe we did anything wrong even if the results are positive.

@Mike Franco I hadn't considered looking at it from that angle.  So far they haven't made their end goal clear so I'll definitely be addressing that.  

@Sam Leon Yes I finished documenting all of our verbal conversations Friday.  Once I heard lawyer everything is going to be via email going forward.  With their track record so far its a must at this point.

@Theresa Harris Ironically enough the tenants renewed in March when the water issue was already unresolved with the previous manager.  Definitely not going to renew now.

Fair warning that this is a long story.  I'm also relatively new to my PM role so any feedback on how this could have been handled better in the future and how to proceed with this situation would be beyond helpful.

So I have a family at one of the properties we manage for another owner that is convinced without a doubt that mold is present in the home and we are ignoring their safety concerns.  We took on a property from another PM company in March, tenants already in place.  Did a walk through with the owner no issues were brought forward.  We have some really heavy rains and water starts coming into the properties kitchen through some exterior french doors.  It would create a small pool on the wood floors and the tile in the basement directly underneath it would get wet as well.  Tenants were always super on top of cleaning everything up and honestly great about the situation.  Eventually learned that this has been an issue with the previous company.  We go through our normal due diligence to figure out whats going on sending out a variety of vendors whenever we get a call and cleaning up any water as needed.  Tried multiple routes before determining the door just needed to be replaced with a slider.  Contractors were difficult to line up for the job and this last part took about 3-4 weeks before approving a bid and repair date.  This is the only part of the situation where I feel like I dropped the ball, but I just couldn't find anyone sooner.

During this last part the tenants started to believe the home must be covered in mold.  I informed them that we had never seen anything to indicate it during our visits and we would have to wait to see what the contractor found when he pulled everything apart.  They were not pleased with this and requested a mold inspector be hired.  I reiterated we would wait for the contractor and take actions based on what was found.  Tenants called the local rental inspector to complain and sent him pictures of some mildew they found after removing a baseboard.  Inspector used to be in the mold business and agreed with me that that was mildew but we would stay in touch for the door replacement.  

Contractor started work yesterday and I made sure to be present to both put the tenant at ease and handle any potential issues on the spot.  Removed door and found it was beyond incorrectly installed.  In particular there was a large gap in the frame and floor that was allowing water to enter the property and empty directly in the basement.  Part of the subfloor there had also lost its durability and had some mildew so we ripped it all out to be replaced.  Removed and examed all the insulation finding it bone dry with zero evidence of any damage, no midlew down there.  Also could see and feel down into the basement wall and no issues there.  Vendor bought all new materials and after explaining that we found nothing to the tenants I left them to their work.  Had the vendor spray every inch of the area with mold killer just to put the tenant at ease.

Got a call from the city inspector 30 min later who said the tenants were concerned for their safety.  Made the trip back out to meet the inspector.  Inspector looked everything over and agreed no mold.  Tenant still set on a mold test being required and the inspector even tried to discourage it as a waste of time and money at this point.  He then suggested the tenants could pay for one and we would handle anything as needed.  I had already proposed this to the tenant.  Husband calls me later that night saying he spoke to the contractor and wanted to know what we were going to do about the mushrooms the contractor found under the subfloor.  I called him on the lie, nicely, since I was there.  Reiterated we would see what the test said.

Mold inspector came today.  Tenant called again stating the inspector said the house was unlivable, he couldn't believe we dropped the ball like this, and that the basement needed to be gutted today.  Called the inspectors office who confirmed they would never tell someone that and that we should wait for the results.  So tenant was caught in another blatant lie.  Informed the inspector of the new complaint who is on our side at this point.  Told the tenant who was not happy.  Just received an email stating they wanted to sit down for a reveal of the test results on Monday with their lawyer present.  

Honestly the last request makes this sound like some kind of weird mold game show.  I really don't believe the test will reveal elevated levels and taking part would just add legitimacy.  I currently plan to have them just send me the results and if there is an issue I would handle remediation just like I would anywhere else.  

If you made it this far your a hero in my book.  Did I handle anything incorrectly?  Any suggestions on moving forward would be very appreciative.

Originally posted by @Max T.:
Originally posted by @Karen Jackson:

@Karl B. That’s good to know. I’ll give that a try. But when I contacted her case worker about the matter in addition to other things. The caseworker said sorry we don’t get involved in that that’s landlord tenant issues. We only get involved for non payment of rent

Apply the payment you have received to the fee for the exterminator (and the fee for hiring a locksmith to change the locks back). Then the section 8 payment will be partial, not in full, and subject to late fee. Then contact the section 8 office about the partial rent payment. 

I would agree with Max.  I would treat the tenant changing the locks the same way you would if she broke a window.  Rent would first go to cover the cost of repairs and then reach out to your local section 8 office.  

Also I would use the Section 8 Inspection to bring a new lock with you and change it on the spot.  It only takes a few minutes and you would have the inspector there to bear witness in case it had to go through their office again.  Kill two problems with one trip to the property.

First post and excited to join the community!  Our leases all specifically outline that tenants are responsible for all pests treatments.  We also ensure this is gone over verbally during our lease signing to ensure there is no confusion.  We would also never turn a property over to a new tenant with any issues at the property.  

Once a tenant is in the property I consider any pest issues to be something they caused and their responsibility to resolve.  We have made a few exceptions but more often then not a complaint of an infestation typically turns out to be a dozen ants caused by food on the floor and a wasted trip to the property.

I just resolved a situation today with a newer tenant.  They have been in the property for a few weeks and contacted me about encountering spiders at the property.  Since they were still relatively new I did my due diligence.  Keep in mind I manage this on behalf of another owner so I have to be conscious of their repair costs.  I confirmed with the prior tenants that they had not had any insect issues at the property.  There was only a 2 week vacant period between the tenants so I was easily able to verify with our maintenance and cleaning vendors that they had not seen any issues.  Finally we have a 3 day period for tenants to report any issues not caught in our property condition catalogs.  After explaining that entire process they were able to accept the responsibility saving myself a trip to the property and the cost of an exterminator by making a few phone calls and sticking to our lease agreement.