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All Forum Posts by: Michael Poloncic

Michael Poloncic has started 14 posts and replied 51 times.

Post: Tenant breaking their lease

Michael PoloncicPosted
  • Investor
  • Utah
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Jim K.:
Quote from @Michael Poloncic:

Three individuals signed a lease together, all friends, the lease is set up where each of them are expected to pay 1/3 of the rent. Two of them decided to move out in December without informing me. One of them accidentally paid for January rent because of auto pay and is now requesting it back. I informed them that their contract states they are expected to pay up until the end of the agreement regardless of living their or not. 

Now, this tenant is saying that they don't remember any agreement and thought they paid month to month and could leave whenever. I am now under the suspicion that their friend, the one who is still living at the property, is the one who created separate accounts for all three of them and did the signing for each individual who is under this lease agreement. 

I'm trying to prepare incase this is true. What is the recourse for the tenant who signed the lease under each individuals name? And, would that invalidate the contract? Or are the other two tenants still bound to the contract regardless?

Any additional input would be great. Thank you!


Michael, I regret that this is happening to you but I think you need to get past chasing rent for this month and realize that there's only one way this ends. Learn the eviction procedure for your area, perhaps contact a lawyer in the field to help you with this one, and get the fraudster you're currently housing out on the sidewalk to sleep in a cardboard box where they belong.

You're going to lose plenty of money here, but this will never happen to you again, and you can minimize your losses if you move as quickly as possible. In Pittsburgh, where I live and operate, this would be a two to three-month process in front of almost all out local district magistrates. I don't know the law or eviction procedures in Saint George, Utah. You're going to have to go learn about that yourself.

The faster you get rid of this bozo the better off the whole system will be. Good luck, Michael.


 Thank you for your input!

Post: Tenant breaking their lease

Michael PoloncicPosted
  • Investor
  • Utah
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Patricia Steiner:

Only two things matter:  the lease and your state law on termination of lease without notice.  Assuming your property is in Utah (like your profile indicates), here's the state law from a basic internet search:

In Utah, a tenant who abandons a rental property without notice is liable for the lesser of the following:

  • The rent remaining on the lease
  • The rent plus the difference between the fair rental value and the agreed-upon rent
  • The cost to restore the property to its original condition

The landlord can also remove the tenant's belongings and sell them if the tenant doesn't claim them within a reasonable time. What can a landlord do if a tenant abandons the property?

  • Send a notice: The landlord can post a notice in a visible place and send a notice by mail to the tenant's last known address
  • Remove belongings: The landlord can remove the tenant's belongings and store them
  • Recover costs: The landlord can recover the costs of moving and storage from the tenant
  • Sell belongings: If the tenant doesn't claim their belongings, the landlord can sell them at a public sale

(End)

Please only communicate with the tenants - all of them - in written form only so it can be used in any collection/court engagement.  The Notice needs to be sent to each tenant by both proof of delivery required service from the post office as well as by certified mail to the last known address. This will serve as proof of notice sent.

I encourage you to do this today.  The sooner you regain control, prove that you fully intend to enforce the terms of your lease, and that you will not be 'played' by their recall of events or documents, the more effective this action will be.  

You got this...


 Thank you for looking into Utah's law, I will go over it myself. It helps to know what appropriate steps to take. 

Post: Tenant breaking their lease

Michael PoloncicPosted
  • Investor
  • Utah
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Obed Calixte:

This is interesting. You will want to consult with a lawyer.

In regards to your last two questions here's some background on what makes a contract valid and enforceable:

Offer: A promise to do or not do something within a certain time period 

Acceptance: A clear and direct statement that all terms and responsibilities are accepted

Consideration: A legal and adequate inducement given in exchange for the promise

Capacity: The parties to the contract must have the legal capacity and competency to contract

Awareness: A party must be aware of the contract

Legality: The contract must be legal in the jurisdiction it will be operating in

***Not legal advice*** Steps I would take: 

-Review contract in detail to understand each counterparties responsibilities (if you are not aware)

- Email a copy of the lease to each of the tenants listed on the lease and reiterate lease expectations for termination notice, rent payment etc. 

- If the lease was signed via Docusign (other esign may have same ability) - you can go to the envelope, go to history and view the IP addresses for each action taken. If the IP addresses are the same for each signee, then there is a chance that the same person signed. If the IP addresses are different then it is likely that it was signed by separate individuals. This is not solid proof in either direction, however it will give additional context when discussing with the lawyer. 

Separately from all of that - I recommend reviewing your lease up procedures to improve verification of signing tenants and their agreement and aware of terms and conditions. 


     Thank you for the recommendations! 

    Post: Tenant breaking their lease

    Michael PoloncicPosted
    • Investor
    • Utah
    • Posts 53
    • Votes 20
    Quote from @Rene Hosman:
    Quote from @Michael Poloncic:

    Three individuals signed a lease together, all friends, the lease is set up where each of them are expected to pay 1/3 of the rent. Two of them decided to move out in December without informing me. One of them accidentally paid for January rent because of auto pay and is now requesting it back. I informed them that their contract states they are expected to pay up until the end of the agreement regardless of living their or not. 

    Now, this tenant is saying that they don't remember any agreement and thought they paid month to month and could leave whenever. I am now under the suspicion that their friend, the one who is still living at the property, is the one who created separate accounts for all three of them and did the signing for each individual who is under this lease agreement. 

    I'm trying to prepare incase this is true. What is the recourse for the tenant who signed the lease under each individuals name? And, would that invalidate the contract? Or are the other two tenants still bound to the contract regardless?

    Any additional input would be great. Thank you!


     How did you have them sign this lease? Was it via docusign or some other online signing platform?


     It was another online system, we use TenantCloud, which platform allows for the creating and signing of leases. 

    Post: Tenant breaking their lease

    Michael PoloncicPosted
    • Investor
    • Utah
    • Posts 53
    • Votes 20

    Three individuals signed a lease together, all friends, the lease is set up where each of them are expected to pay 1/3 of the rent. Two of them decided to move out in December without informing me. One of them accidentally paid for January rent because of auto pay and is now requesting it back. I informed them that their contract states they are expected to pay up until the end of the agreement regardless of living their or not. 

    Now, this tenant is saying that they don't remember any agreement and thought they paid month to month and could leave whenever. I am now under the suspicion that their friend, the one who is still living at the property, is the one who created separate accounts for all three of them and did the signing for each individual who is under this lease agreement. 

    I'm trying to prepare incase this is true. What is the recourse for the tenant who signed the lease under each individuals name? And, would that invalidate the contract? Or are the other two tenants still bound to the contract regardless?

    Any additional input would be great. Thank you!

    Post: Can you Subject to an FHA loan?

    Michael PoloncicPosted
    • Investor
    • Utah
    • Posts 53
    • Votes 20
    Quote from @Andrew Postell:

    @Terry Majchrzak you can certainly do a "subject to" on an FHA loan but FHA loans are also "assumable" too. You could just assume the loan and remove it from their credit entirely. Look into that route as well. Thanks!


    I realize this post was made 4 years ago, but I just had a clarifying question. Can you assume an FHA loan without it being your primary residence?

    Quote from @Wayne Brooks:

    @Michael Poloncic With an inactive license, you can’t represent anyone.

     @Wayne Brooks but you can still represent your self with an inactive license, right?

    Quote from @Wayne Brooks:

    In no state, not even the left coast, is an agent prohibited from buying/selling/rehabbing/developing for themselves.  You simply have to be honest in all your dealings with people and make the proper licensing disclosures so there is no chance of confusing the “I am representing you as an agent verses I am representing myself as a principal in this transaction”

    @Wayne Brooks I understand you can represent yourself as an agent in any form. But if you're in a partnership, can you represent the "partnership" (myself and others) in purchasing a property? Does that go for inactive and active real estate license?

    Post: Offering Affordable Services/Labor

    Michael PoloncicPosted
    • Investor
    • Utah
    • Posts 53
    • Votes 20

    Hi! I am looking to offer my time and skills to any real estate professional needing to cut back your mundane tasks so you can focus your time and energy where you're most valuable.

    I own rental properties I manage myself, including a STR. I am looking to build my skills, connect with others, all while making some extra cash (I really won't ask for much in return). The only catch is I need to be able to do it remotely. If you need help with lead generation, book keeping, co-hosting, an assistant, etc., please reach out to me! I would be happy to provide a resume, referrals, and chat. Thank you.

    Post: Offering Affordable Services/Labor

    Michael PoloncicPosted
    • Investor
    • Utah
    • Posts 53
    • Votes 20

    Hi! I am looking to offer my time and skills to any real estate professional needing to cut back your mundane tasks so you can focus your time and energy where you're most valuable. 

    I own rental properties I manage myself, including a STR. I am looking to build my skills, connect with others, all while making some extra cash (I really won't ask for much in return). The only catch is I need to be able to do it remotely. If you need help with lead generation, book keeping, co-hosting, an assistant, etc., please reach out to me! I would be happy to provide a resume, referrals, and chat. Thank you.