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All Forum Posts by: Michael Klinger

Michael Klinger has started 34 posts and replied 98 times.

Post: Ideas on $25K loan for multi-family working captial?

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63

Thanks. All my properties are true multi-family, More than 5 units per building. Interesting information, though.

Post: Ideas on $25K loan for multi-family working captial?

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63

Alright. Thanks.

Post: Ideas on $25K loan for multi-family working captial?

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63

It would be helpful to me at this time, to have about $25K in working capital for work on one of my multi-family properties. This relative to my situation, is a super modest amount of funds. It probably be best as a friends-and-family type loan, but I don’t have anyone around me that is an appropriate lender.

If I have to, I can put the funds in myself, but its inconvenient, and would come from investments that would need to be sold, taxed, etc. I seem to be “landlocked” for any borrowing at this time.

I did go to the bank that holds three three commercial loans for my apartments. The thing about this bank, is that they seem like they are ready to s*** their pants at any moment, fearing I am going to default on them. That’s the vibe they give off.

And I don't really get it, as I've been paying these three loans for 7 years, without any incident of any kind, ever. I am not badly leveraged. The LTV of the loans I'd conservatively gauge at about 35 percent. These are not risky loans, by any means in my mind. However, this is a conservative regional bank, that is on the NASDAQ, so maybe that's the issue?

I did approach them about a year ago about getting $25k credit line per property, and the response I got was basically no. That for them to consider it, they would want to order three appraisals, and then the loans would all have to be cross collateralized over the three properties, and it seemed over the top and costly way to borrow $75K. So I didn’t pursue it any further.

A asked around on other options. Given that I am self employed, a few personal loan options, did preliminary asking about my situation, and they got lost in the weeds with how my real estate income looks so dismal on tax returns.

Then I spoke to a company that does business lines of credit, based on personal FICO scores. They were fine with my score (about 740), but have issue with the percentage of personal credit I am utilizing, so that discussion also petered out.

Apparently, I have a lending profile right now, that is not attractive to mainstream lending programs.

Any advice?

Post: Need New Eviction Attorney - Cincinnati

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63
Thanks.

Post: Need New Eviction Attorney - Cincinnati

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63
Thanks. Yes, all of mine are in LLCs, and I was aware of that limitation. Hopefully you pointing it out, will help someone else reading this thread some day.

Of the three you listed, one of them was involved in my evictions, back when I still had management companies and I was not thrilled with communication. But I will check out the other two names.

Post: Need New Eviction Attorney - Cincinnati

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63

Seeking recommendations on a Hamilton County (Cincinnati) eviction attorney.

I had a good one, but he has moved on to another area.

I enjoyed that mine was a one man band, and it was smooth and efficient, handled by email and short hand dialogue and simple resolutions.

My eviction filings, so far have been "light weight," mostly gets people motivated to pay and stay.

I spoke to a couple of firms, but they make it sound much more complicated and ugly than it has been in my case, so they aren't resonating with me.

Post: Is anyone dealing with/ having "issues" with Talbert House?

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63

Is anyone dealing with/ having "issues" with Talbert House?

The agency that assists renters and has been assisting with the uptick needed for COVID.

Feel free to D.M. if that feels like a better path for this conversation.

Post: Watch out OHIO, monkeys are on the loose in Cincinnati!

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63

Also, was there any flying or any butts involved?

Post: Watch out OHIO, monkeys are on the loose in Cincinnati!

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63

I had heard the sky was falling over there.

Post: Feedback on RentRedi

Michael KlingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Rancho Mirage, CA
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 63

I use RentRedi on 60+ units. I signed up about 7 months ago on the premise of being able to accept online payments. I do appreciate that I have been able to have direct conversations with Ed Barone (one of the founder/owner types over there) to discuss my issues. He does not disagree with many of my complaints. I would say I'm hanging in there and "suffer" with it. Practically every component they offer requires a workaround, so I've made it work for me as a path of least resistance for the time being. I force it to work well enough for me.

• First, one positive thing. The accounts were set up and attached to my bank accounts very quickly for immediate use. That was good. I have three properties operating independently of each other. And hence three bank accounts attached to RentRedi.

The biggest of the issues are as follows:

• Up until about 2 months ago, the collections from tenant bank account was a complete joke, as the system wasn't logging into tenant accounts to verify bank balances. So really it was no different then receiving a check that could bounce or presented with completely bogus or typoed account numbers and such than getting the same typed into the app by a tenant. I had several instances where the cycle of receiving a payment only to find out later it was a Non Sufficient Funds payment was taking 10 days to cycle back. Meanwhile on their site, the Digitsz site and my bank accounts looked normal and play along with payment, until it caught up with itself and it bounces and the money gets pulled back. This has since been improved as they added the "Plaid" overlay to their system. But it was totally frustrating for the first 4 months on their system, and actually slower than a mailed in rent payment check. 10 days for a full circle situation. As I pointed out to RentRedi, 10 day is how long the Pony Express delivered mail. But that was in the 1800's. And by horseback.

• The ability to get paid quicker is dependent on a history of good collections and all of these situations related to lousy integration and tenant error, actually count AGAINST THE OWNER in some kind of reputation with the processor. So if you request faster transactions that they allow after some history, you might not have the reputation to support it based on poor integration. Totally ridiculous. As if I just popped out of the sky from nowhere ready to build "my first business reputation." Meanwhile I can get all kinds of business done with my 20 year business history anywhere else.

• Their third party provider of processing (Digitsz) is antiquated and super clunky. Furthermore the interface for this isn't integrated well into the RentRedi and is not front and center. Instead you have to dig into a setup menu, and then you get further ported to a third party (Digitsz) site, which I've decided was either designed to be read by residents of another planet or some adaptation for some undefined learning disability that is really unusual. It's horrible.

• RentRedi runs uses the "Intercom" interface support service that presents like a live chat for their support, but the live-ness of it debatable. They have a lot of hand waving emojis programmed in to emoji you to death. While you are instead trying to get serious solutions to serious problems instead of trying to smooth everything over with cute emojis. Please make it stop. There is rarely a customer service loop that feels like closure. The front line people can only handle softball issues, and the bigger issues that go into a black hole they refer to as the "Dev Team." Then with some kinds of programmed precision they circle back with an automated follow up nudge like clockwork. While meanwhile no progress has been made on the original issue and it circles into an infuriating feedback loop. It is very good way to train customers not to bother to use the chat system. Also there is no real continuity, because it you are presented with a specific human face and a clutter of emojis. But one person doesn't really seem to follow your case to the finish line. It just goes into a big bucket. Insert hand waving emoji here.

• The system is app based for tenants and there is an assumption that everyone, is a millennial and will handle this fine. Which is not true. I have a fairy low acceptance ratio for the app. Maybe 25 percent tops? Which is fine because even with the Plaid overly, receiving checks is still faster and more accurate than app payments. But also, I can't be criticized for not having some kind of online payment option. I'd say that 2/3 of the tenants that have stuck with the app, had a really hard time with it and got confused by it at the beginning and lose interest in it. Certain things are not obvious to them. For example, its very vague if the app will accept partial payments (you can set account to accept partials or not). Tenants are presented more months than needed. I can assure you that my tenants are ONLY interested in seeing the current month due. Instead they are presented with every current and future month, based on a lease you can set up, which is totally arbitrary anyway. So then they get confused and start paying the wrong months or accidentally pay two months, and all kinds of other havoc. It's happened a bunch of times. Then they abandon the app, which is fine because at the end of the day, checks are still faster and more accurate.

• Their on-boarding form letter email is written poorly and emphasizes the wrong things. The number one question my tenants have is "what is this going to cost me" and that is not covered in the email. The writing voice changes in the email. At points it sounds like it is "me" and at points it sounds like a third party referring to the landlord. I requested the form letter to be editable, as they already have it queued up in a formatting page, but there is no ability to actually re-write it. So.... I use instead another time consuming workaround.

• They use the logged in section of the owner web interface to continue to market to you and tell you how much you have saved using their service and how many landlords across the planet are looking at their site and signing up right now. BACK OFF. I'm already a customer. What I'd really like to do is put up a banner on how many hours I have wasted creating workarounds to the system.

• In general, the data and banners and limited forms have about as much insight to rental management that a 13 year old would get on "bring your nephew to work day." All of it is really off and only tolerable with workarounds.

• There is no real way to make super basic and functional reports, that are typical of multi-family. They are all goofy and lacking and need workarounds to have any use.

• They keep bolting things on to find other ways to monetize. And while I respect that need, I'd have a lot more confidence in bolted on services, if the stuff I signed up for worked better. Also I shouldn't have to click away or be bombarded with promotions for "Latchel," (a maintenance coordination service they are trying to monetize), EVERY TIME, I go to log or use the maintenance section of the web site that I already pay for.

There's more. But I've been brutal enough.

Mike