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All Forum Posts by: Michael Goldsmith

Michael Goldsmith has started 9 posts and replied 66 times.

Nathaniel, That's good advice... however, you're missing an important point. Where does one get all of that information for the deep market analysis?  I'd assume that hopefully it's part of some comps software package...  My issue is that I don't know what software is worth spending money on and what's garbage.  I recently looked at one piece of software that was a flat, relatively inexpensive fee, and that was it.  I saw another one that cost over $100/ month for the license to use.  I'm probably going to make a post in a more appropriate forum asking for comps of comps software (pun intended), so I can find a good centralized data source that I can just crunch numbers on.

Well, I think the issue is more that the people here who are making the case for me to avoid analysis paralysis is that they don't know how much knowledge I have/ don't have.  Yes, I've been soaking up information like a sponge, but I don't feel that I've learned enough YET to comfortably jump in.  I'll definitely get there, and probably fairly soon.  I just have some gaps to fill in first.

That said, I do think I've come up with a decent game plan for my first steps on this journey.  I've been looking at all of these properties in hopes of finding a deal and putting renters in it to generate passive income.  But I've missed a very important point and didn't see the forest through the trees.  I've been so wrapped up in the nuts and bolts of learning how real estate works as a business, coupled with my fear of being on the hook for a mortgage payment of a place I can't fill, or can't sell for more than I put into it, when I've been missing out on the easiest and lowest risk venture that I could possibly think of that would net me more money than probably the first two properties that I could stick tenants into- where I'm living now.  I completely lost site that the easiest tenant to put into a house is me.  I currently rent where I live, and after taking a look at the value of the house I currently rent, I realized that if I just put the seed money into where I am now and bought THIS place, according to the calculators, my mortgage would be a little shy of half of what my rent currently is.  I would also gain some equity instead of padding someone else's pocket, and I can parley the money I'm NOT spending (and having difficulty saving) into a fund for a place that I actually want to live.  Don't get me wrong, this place is nice, but it's just not my "forever" home.  Once I find and can afford that place, I can rent this one out and use it as passive income, or sell it and roll that money into the next project.  At least that's my working theory.  Feel free to poke holes in it if you're seeing a flaw I'm missing.

Deb, that's what "comps" are.  Unfortunately, it's difficult to find that information, without paying for expensive software.  As far as parsing out the outliers, that's not particularly difficult, given a sufficient sample size- meaning, if you look at enough similar properties, there's a handful that will stick out like sore thumbs that can be discarded.

Charles, I wish you had messaged a little earlier this morning.  I was actually in Tampa this morning and saw your response once I was about halfway home.  Here's my issue with your comment though "the numbers will tell you if a deal is worth looking at."  What does that mean though?  How?  I get that, at face value, the asking price needs to be sufficiently south of the market value price, so create enough equity in the deal to cover expenses, risks, and to make enough money to make it worth one's time.  However, what do you compare the asking price to, if zestimates etc. are considered worthless AND without having to fork out over $100/ month for access to software to then have to do an even more complex statistical analysis to determine that average price?

Dan and Matthew,  I have to respectfully disagree with you there.  Just jumping in, without having sufficient knowledge is horrible advice.  Yes, I understand the concept of "analysis paralysis" as Matthew C mentions, but there's a balance between getting stuck in the tar pit of analysis and gaining a sufficient baseline of knowledge.  Yes, no one can plan for EVERYTHING that could go south, but one can work on mitigating "enough" of those permutations to make the risk reasonable.  I'm sure no one works on a plan for a meteor striking the earth and wiping out all of humanity, but it's reasonable enough to want to know what would happen if there's another housing crash like we had in 2008.  While statistically speaking we're overdue for both, but one is far more likely than the other, and it isn't unreasonable to want to have a contingency plan for things that are relatively likely to go south.

The fact of the  matter, is that I'm new.  I've done just enough learning and research to know where some of the holes in my knowledge base are.  I don't think I'm falling prey to analysis paralysis by wanting to make sure the most biggest holes are patched before I jump in.  

As for good deals, I haven't been told by anyone that there's a lack of good deals at the moment.  To be frank, my issue is actually quite the opposite.  From the listings I've looked up so far, I just haven't seen anything that was particularly impressive.  Granted my range is a bit small so far- I've been looking from Bradenton up to a bit north of Brooksville, but I just haven't found much that impresses me.  

Here's a theory that I'd like to bounce off of all of you- zestimates, etc. are said to be inaccurate in that outliers can artificially inflate the median price, making a given property appear to be a better deal than it actually is.  However,  I wonder if this works in the opposite direction as well, in that outliers would pull a median price down sufficiently to obfuscate potential deals into making them seem that they're not as good as they actually are.  For example, in the area that I'm looking for average criteria I've put out- 3+ br, 250k max, the houses I've seen listed have all been OVER the zestimate price.  So... does this mean that all of these estimates are wrong, or is it that the  market is just a buyers market now, in that there are more buyers than homes, driving the cost up?  And as such, does that mean that it's not a good time to buy if we're at the top of the market, and it would behoove oneself to wait until the inevitable bust, and prices drop?  Thoughts?

I do come out to Orlando every once in a while.  Daytona's just a hop, skip, and a jump further, if I'm not mistaken.  

I'm not looking for some type of "secret sauce," and I think my expectations are relatively reasonable on what kinds of returns I can expect once I find that first good deal. My trepidation is more along the lines of numbers that get laid out are oftentimes idealized... but what happens if the market goes south instead? How do those numbers still hold up? Is now even a good time to look to get into REI? The market's been going up and up for years now. Shouldn't we be hitting the top of this bubble pretty soon? Is it better to just save what I can now and wait until it bursts? And some more technical questions in response to "find something you think is a good deal and get comps on it." Well, how does someone without a RE license get comps without paying over $100/ month for software when I'm not entirely convinced that this is for me? And what does a "good deal" look like at face value anyway? I troll Zillow, but if the Zestimates are supposedly all but useless, then how do I even know what I'm looking at?

Post: soon to be homeless with 300K

Michael GoldsmithPosted
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Where in Central Florida are you, if you don't mind me asking?  300k will go a very long way in Spring Hill/ Brooksville, even at market rate, and there are places not too far from there that it will go even further.  Ocala is really nice if you like some space to spread out.  Lots of horse farms up there that are pretty inexpensive and have some nice acreage.

Hello Everyone,

Brand new to BiggerPockets and REI in general but very eager to meet like minded people and am hungry to learn and get into it. I'm relatively new to Florida, having moved here from the NY/NJ area about a year and a half ago. I'm in Spring Hill, about 45 min. north of Tampa. Since I've started to seriously look into REI, I've watched literally hundreds of youtube videos and am devouring all the reading material I can get my hands on. I think I have accumulated a fairly decent grasp on the basic concepts, but the more I learn, the more questions I have and the more holes I see in my knowledge set, which admittedly translates to a healthy dose of skepticism. In all the videos I've watched and the books I've read, I'm fairly consistently left with the feeling that there always something that they're not mentioning. The numbers always look good in the books and videos, and I know that good REI practices can generate a good cash flow and, over time, can lead to wealth and financial freedom, but I always have that nagging "but what about X" moment that doesn't get addressed. I would love to find someone experienced and relatively local that I can take to coffee and pick their brains a bit who can address my concerns on the nuts and bolts of things.