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All Forum Posts by: Michael Gib

Michael Gib has started 1 posts and replied 4 times.

Originally posted by @Clayton Mobley:

@Michael Gib personally, I see that you have a lot of capital tied up in an asset with returns that primarily rely on appreciation. Past performance doesn't predict future returns, and while the appreciation thus far has been good, you say yourself the Brexit issue is making things uncertain. I prefer cash flow to appreciation potential because it's something you can create - increase rents, buy in the right areas, rehab well to minimize long-term maintenance costs, reduce expenses by self-managing if necessary, buy in areas with good property tax rates etc - you can take action in some way to improve cash flow. With appreciation, you can only hope for the best unless you are buying distressed and then rehabbing to 'force' appreciation. 

Especially since you wouldn't pay taxes on the gain if you sold, I would be asking whether that capital could be put to better use elsewhere. Your rent to value ratio isn't amazing at this point, and I know that amount of capital could be getting you much better returns elsewhere. Are you determined to invest in Gibraltar, or are you open to international investing? Since you pay a management fee already you might consider looking into moving your investments abroad to markets where your capital could go much further.

 Hi Clayton and many thanks for your feedback.

I've been pondering the question of parking all that capital into a different investment vehicle myself, however at this stage my options are fairly limited, and to be honest my knowledge too (actively working on that :) ). I investigated the possibility of dumping all that capital into a vanguard lifestrategy fund and forget about it, however these don't seem available to me where i am located.. 

I understand your point on hoping for appreciation VS investing for cashflow, the latter would also be my preference however in my market property prices are so high that hitting a high positive cashflow on any property is difficult. Investing in mainland UK is a possibility however that opens up an entire different set of rules in regards to Taxes, and long-distance management which at this stage of my RE career i would rather be within distance to deal with any eventuality. Although i've budgeted for management i actually plan to manage it myself.

Originally posted by @Clayton Mobley:

@Michael Gib personally, I see that you have a lot of capital tied up in an asset with returns that primarily rely on appreciation. Past performance doesn't predict future returns, and while the appreciation thus far has been good, you say yourself the Brexit issue is making things uncertain. I prefer cash flow to appreciation potential because it's something you can create - increase rents, buy in the right areas, rehab well to minimize long-term maintenance costs, reduce expenses by self-managing if necessary, buy in areas with good property tax rates etc - you can take action in some way to improve cash flow. With appreciation, you can only hope for the best unless you are buying distressed and then rehabbing to 'force' appreciation. 

Especially since you wouldn't pay taxes on the gain if you sold, I would be asking whether that capital could be put to better use elsewhere. Your rent to value ratio isn't amazing at this point, and I know that amount of capital could be getting you much better returns elsewhere. Are you determined to invest in Gibraltar, or are you open to international investing? Since you pay a management fee already you might consider looking into moving your investments abroad to markets where your capital could go much further.

 Hi Clayton and many thanks for your feedback.

I've been pondering the question of parking all that capital into a different investment vehicle myself, however at this stage my options are fairly limited, and to be honest my knowledge too (actively working on that :) ). I investigated the possibility of dumping all that capital into a vanguard lifestrategy fund and forget about it, however these don't seem available to me where i am located.. 

I understand your point on hoping for appreciation VS investing for cashflow, the latter would also be my preference however in my market property prices are so high that hitting a high positive cashflow on any property is difficult. Investing in mainland UK is a possibility however that opens up an entire different set of rules in regards to Taxes, and long-distance management which at this stage of my RE career i would rather be within distance to deal with any eventuality. Although i've budgeted for management i actually plan to manage it myself.

Originally posted by @Amy Kendall:

I would consider what your other options would be.  Can you take that money and invest it in another property or two and make a better return?  If you can't replace it with better cash flowing properties, then I would stick with it.  Have a good plan outlined before you do anything.

 Thanks for the feedback. Investing in another property that would yield as much rental income for less upfront capital is unlikely. I've considered what other investment vehicles i could park my money in however again in my location those are limited (even Vanguard index funds are out of reach for us .. sadly).

Hi everyone!

This is my first post here so apologies if i have posted in the wrong area or formatting is wrong or anything else, i'll learn i promise!

I'm hoping seasoned professionals can give me a second opinion on how my first rental property is looking like. Some background:

My local market is Gibraltar, a small British colony in southern Europe. The territory is very small, only about 7 km2 (yes seven squared KMs makes up the entire country!) so space is scarce and property comes at a premium. The local market has been on the up for a number of years and prices now are at a level comparable to London UK. 

I bought a 1 bedroom apartment on plan 3 years ago with a view of renting it out once the unit was completed. The purchase price for the unit was £324k 3 years ago, and i have just got it valued as part of my mortgage application now at £382k, a decent appreciation in the time frame. Comparable apartments are renting out for £1800/month + and the supply on the market is not meeting the demand. Our market has a high number of workers who work in our local industries (financial services / online Gaming mainly) and there is simply not enough housing available so a large number of them live on the other side of the border in Spain.

My numbers currently look as follows:

Monthly mortgage payment (70% LTV) £1,114

Monthly Rental Income £1,800

Property Costs

Insurance £20

Maintenance £90

Management £90

Vacancy £90

Rates/Charges £170

Total Monthly Cost £460

Property Cashflow £226

On the face of it my return is very small for the amount of capital i could extract should i sell the property. My annual cash-on-cash return currently sits at 2.7% however my equity keeps growing as house prices keep rising.

And then there is the absolute circus that is Brexit and the uncertainty that it has brought to our local market, no-one really knows what effects this will have on our territory however this does not seem to have slowed down the real-estate market in the last couple of years.

Should i sell this property, take the cash and run away or is this rate of return in a HCOL area acceptable? This is a question that i ask myself frequently, especially since we do not have any capital gains tax here, so all that equity gain would be straight up profit. On the other hand i want to grow a portfolio of passive income to be able to one day quit the day job, but at these prices it's going to be hard to build a large enough portfolio of cashflow positive properties..

Thanks,

M.