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All Forum Posts by: Michael Gardner

Michael Gardner has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: (First time Investors) What would you do

Michael Gardner
Posted
  • Red Oak, TX
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Matt M.:

If they are month to month, I’d be giving them notice. Likely they are well below market rent, if they’ve been there for 10 years, it likely needs some rehab. I’d get rid of them, fix it up, re rent at market value to a new tenant that you have screened and won’t be wanting to play by the old owner. 


 Thanks Matt!

Post: (First time Investors) What would you do

Michael Gardner
Posted
  • Red Oak, TX
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Michael Gardner you may want to pause before acting onthe advice given so far. Here are some other thoughts to consider:

1) Ask the previous PMC for a rent ledger for the past 24 months. It should support the tenant's claim of paying bi-weekly. It will also tell you if they pay on time or not.
---Why is this important? Well, how would you feel if you've been paying bi-weekly, have your budget built around that schedule - and now someone wants to change it?

2) Check the lease about the fridge. You may be liable to repair or replace. Hopefully, you are not.

3) How long has it been since you mailed and emailed the notices? 
---Not everyone reads these right away, so you have to allow 1-2 weeks.

If you did mail them over 2 weeks ago, them calling you about it is not a good sign. Most likely means these tenants are lazy and/or trying to use any & every excuse to avoid/delay paying their rent. 

What you have not shared is if these tenants are paying market rent and if this property is Class A, B or C? 

None of this would be acceptable for a Class A property, most not acceptable for Class B, while it would be expected for a Class C property/tenants.

You really can't apply Class A expectations to a Class C property/tenants.


 Wow! All good information. Thank you Drew. We are reaching out to PMC today. The notice was mailed 10 days ago and the day after they received it we sent them an email that walks them through the portal set up. They even used the portal to put in the maintenance request so I know they've received at least the email.

When we made the purchase they were paying a lower rent but we were able to negotiate a higher rent but still slightly below the market rate. This is an out of state property in Michigan but familiar with the area because I was born and raised not to far from there. My wife was able to get up there and evaluate the area based off of her info and what I know we are calling it a 'Class C' but we are novices at this so we could be off on our analysis. The neighborhood is diverse and it is is 3 miles from the University.

Post: (First time Investors) What would you do

Michael Gardner
Posted
  • Red Oak, TX
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Zach Taylor:

@Michael Gardner I have experienced this a few times when purchasing a property with tenants: The tenant says they paid a different amount, late, increments, etc. They are only trying to see how lenient you will be and what they can get away with. Unless it is actually written in the lease, which I doubt, but who knows. I agree with @Nathan Gesner in that these tenants are already showing what type of people they are and perhaps you don't want to deal with high maintenance tenants like that going forward. 


 Thank you Zach!!

Post: (First time Investors) What would you do

Michael Gardner
Posted
  • Red Oak, TX
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

Welcome to BiggerPockets and congratulations on your first purchase and post!

1. Don't believe the tenant. Follow what is written in the lease. If it says rent is due "on or before the first day of each month" then that is what you enforce. If it doesn't specifically say, then talk to the previous owner and/or management company to confirm what they permitted. If they allowed two payments a month, you may be stuck with that until the lease expires.

2. Do not offer a discount for a broken fridge. You just bought the place, so it's obviously not your fault. Even if you owned it for six years, you're not at fault for an appliance breaking. Nobody compensates you when your fridge breaks in your home, so the Tenant isn't any different. They need to take personal responsibility for their belongings.

3. This shows why I wouldn't trust #1.

These tenants are probably paying below market and they already have a few red flags. I would keep a close eye on them and get rid of them as soon as you legally can.

Thank you!!

Post: (First time Investors) What would you do

Michael Gardner
Posted
  • Red Oak, TX
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Austen Mueller:

Congratulations on your first rental property! Switching ownership can be tricky when long term tenants are used to what they are used to. 

Some people have a more “my way or the highway approach” and some just want steady rent payments. we don’t know your tenants and your specific situation. Use your best judgment with the tenants. It’s a give and take on both sides. I would eventually get them paying the first of every month. If it’s not specified in the current lease then they could technically be breaking the lease. Either way you want them on your lease once their old one is up. 

As far as the fridge goes. Is it their fridge? 
i would get them using their own fridge asap. You don’t want to be responsible to replace it and deal with these problems as the tenants will make it your problem. If you want to keep the peace you can give them x amount towards a new fridge or deduct it from rent. Be warned they may damage stuff getting the thing in there. But you won’t have to deal with fridge not working in the future. 

As far as them not paying they will have to get used to the new method. Not paying is unacceptable if you properly went over it with them. If it’s a genuine confusion then you don’t have to charge a late fee. If they are just hassling you. Then I would make sure they know if they don’t pay they are in violation of the lease and can get evicted. 

Thank you!!

Post: (First time Investors) What would you do

Michael Gardner
Posted
  • Red Oak, TX
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1

Hello BP community, we have just purchased our first rental and already have to make some quick decisions but unsure which direction to go on a couple things 

1. The last owner utilized a property management company and tenant says for the past 10 years they have paid half of their rent on the 1st and the other half on the 15th. I know after reading Brandon's book on managing rental properties that this is not good practice. Now they want to know if they can do the same with us. Should we stay firm and tell them it states in the current in place lease agreement you signed that rent is due on the 1st, maybe let them continue until the end of their year since we have to abide by the current lease of the previous property management company for at least that long or what would you all suggest?

Oh yes and things are breaking before rent is due so I feel like we're being hazed,Lol. Refrigerator supposedly not getting cool enough and freezer is over working. They say the have to put their refrigerator food in a cooler for now. I have maintenance scheduled but I feel this may be a set upto try and ask for a discount on rent or for us to pay for groceries. If that happens what do you suggest BP. 

Lastly, we set up an online payment portal and sent a welcome letter and instructions. Also we sent the same information via email. Today their asking how do we pay rent🤔. Let's say they can't pay using the portal which has two methods ACH or Debit payment, anyone have any other payment suggestions besides check or money order which could both "get lost in the mail"?

We would appreciate any and all suggestions for us newbies.