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All Forum Posts by: Michael Cai

Michael Cai has started 8 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: 1031 exchange ideas?

Michael CaiPosted
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Hi we are selling a rental property in Charlotte which currently brings in 2000/mo , the house has a market value of 450k. What’s some good areas to buy in terms of long term or short term rental in atlanta area ? Looking to do a 1031 exchange into something that maximizes income. Also considering Airbnb type property and outside of local area if the numbers are right..

How do I tell if my property is class A, class B or class C.. it's a 1.5 story 2900SF single family in a  nice neighborhood, close to shopping/restaurants and everything, on a half acre lot with great schools, it's a bit old built in 1996, a relatively big yard need mowing..(wonder if tenant will keep it up), mature landscape but subdivision has no amenities like swimming pool or playground..

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$10k/year return on $400k equity is absolutely terrible. If you find a multi-family with 10% cash-on-cash return,  thats $40k/year. Or you can get a 2 year bank CD with 5% guaranteed return. You sell right now you don't pay taxes on the gain. Thats $75k savings right there. And today houses are still fetching near-covid pricing despite soaring rates. Selling is an absolute no-brainer to me, and I am surprised by some of these responses.  Losing the low interest rate is the only drawback, but I think the tax-free gain more than makes up for that.


 i don't think it's easy to get a multi-family unit that pays 10% cash on cash. If I need to finance the interest rate is 6%+, if I use a management company, that all eats into the profit..  Also it's a lot more headache to deal with multiple tenants. if I rent my house $1200/mo goes towards principle + 900/mo  cash flow, that's 5% return already, not counting average 4.7% appreciation (national average since 2000)  so that beats a CD with 5% return.  I'm now convinced holding it really long term is good approach. :)

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@Michael Cai Absolutely- you can still access most of that equity tax free if you keep it, and I assume you haven't had a buy and hold rental before? If not, you haven't even begun to experience the tax benefits and they only get better over time. 

Yes- keep it, and if you want to scale, get a HELOC before you move out and begin your journey. Don't miss the forest for the trees- there are thousands of people here who are kicking themselves for selling their primaries and flips without really considering finding a way to keep them.

I did my calculation, if I keep it long term - I mean really long term, suppose the property goes up to 840k in 13 years, not unreasonable, by that time my 15 tear mortgage is paid off..so I will have 850 minus 500k gain * 15% long term tax = $75k, so I after tax will have 775k, compare to sell it now and net 380 or 390k. Nothing else will make me an extra 380k after tax in 13 years, all while still cash flowing on that property, so you are completely correct that to build wealth I can hold it for a really long time and no worry about paying tax on the gain. Plus I already have a HELOC of 250k on that house, so holding long term is an option.. but if I sell it in 4 ,5 years then it's not worth having to pay tax

If I need the money then sell it in 2 years. Unfortunately I may need the money, I'm supporting wife and two kids :), either way I will rent it for two years and see what my situation is at that time and decide..

My first CA rebtal home in Folsom, I bought it for 255k in 2012. I rented for 1750$ and broke even on cashflow. I took a 15 year mortgage, refinanced at 2.25 pct and only have 40k left on the original 205k loan. I paid off a few 100$ a month once in a while . Property is worth 700k and rents now for 2850$ with 1000$ cash flow.  In 2 years I will own it clear. I don't plan to refinance,  the cash flow of 3000$ is what I seek. There is no need to keep chasing volume in assets, I have 2 other sfh in folsom that will be paid off in 10 years. Cashflow is not king, debt free with high quality growth assets is the king.

Are you saying I should keep holding this property and not selling it? 
Yes if it's a class A asset which will have a good balance of rent growth and appreciation , given you have a sweet mortgage.  Anything you buy for next 2 years, expect 6 pct min interest 

Eventually in 10 years you can 1031 to a high end investment asset if you are bored ;)

This is coming from someone who tried too many things in last decade (mostly in last 6 years)
- bought 7 sfh or duplex in Cleveland west side (sold 4 for nice profit , 3 left)
I won't buy there anymore, tenant class not appealing for me
- 2 flips in Cleveland,  marginal profit
- 1 sfh in Birmingham, will get rid of it someday
- 3 out of state flips in Chicago ( lost net 60k on all)
- 5 bay area flips with a partner ( my net profit maybe close to 300k)
- close to a million in multiple real estate syndication deals
- 3 sfh in folsom 

At this point, i will be happy to own 5 sfh in class a areas debt free and rest go for passive deals.

 

 That's amazing how many different things you tried :) Especially they are all over the place, must be challenging to manage different properties in different states..

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@Michael Cai Absolutely- you can still access most of that equity tax free if you keep it, and I assume you haven't had a buy and hold rental before? If not, you haven't even begun to experience the tax benefits and they only get better over time. 

Yes- keep it, and if you want to scale, get a HELOC before you move out and begin your journey. Don't miss the forest for the trees- there are thousands of people here who are kicking themselves for selling their primaries and flips without really considering finding a way to keep them.

I did my calculation, if I keep it long term - I mean really long term, suppose the property goes up to 840k in 13 years, not unreasonable, by that time my 15 tear mortgage is paid off..so I will have 850 minus 500k gain * 15% long term tax = $75k, so I after tax will have 775k, compare to sell it now and net 380 or 390k. Nothing else will make me an extra 380k after tax in 13 years, all while still cash flowing on that property, so you are completely correct that to build wealth I can hold it for a really long time and no worry about paying tax on the gain. Plus I already have a HELOC of 250k on that house, so holding long term is an option.. but if I sell it in 4 ,5 years then it's not worth having to pay tax

If I need the money then sell it in 2 years. Unfortunately I may need the money, I'm supporting wife and two kids :), either way I will rent it for two years and see what my situation is at that time and decide..

My first CA rebtal home in Folsom, I bought it for 255k in 2012. I rented for 1750$ and broke even on cashflow. I took a 15 year mortgage, refinanced at 2.25 pct and only have 40k left on the original 205k loan. I paid off a few 100$ a month once in a while . Property is worth 700k and rents now for 2850$ with 1000$ cash flow.  In 2 years I will own it clear. I don't plan to refinance,  the cash flow of 3000$ is what I seek. There is no need to keep chasing volume in assets, I have 2 other sfh in folsom that will be paid off in 10 years. Cashflow is not king, debt free with high quality growth assets is the king.

Are you saying I should keep holding this property and not selling it? 
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@Michael Cai Absolutely- you can still access most of that equity tax free if you keep it, and I assume you haven't had a buy and hold rental before? If not, you haven't even begun to experience the tax benefits and they only get better over time. 

Yes- keep it, and if you want to scale, get a HELOC before you move out and begin your journey. Don't miss the forest for the trees- there are thousands of people here who are kicking themselves for selling their primaries and flips without really considering finding a way to keep them.

I did my calculation, if I keep it long term - I mean really long term, suppose the property goes up to 840k in 13 years, not unreasonable, by that time my 15 tear mortgage is paid off..so I will have 850 minus 500k gain * 15% long term tax = $75k, so I after tax will have 775k, compare to sell it now and net 380 or 390k. Nothing else will make me an extra 380k after tax in 13 years, all while still cash flowing on that property, so you are completely correct that to build wealth I can hold it for a really long time and no worry about paying tax on the gain. Plus I already have a HELOC of 250k on that house, so holding long term is an option.. but if I sell it in 4 ,5 years then it's not worth having to pay tax

If I need the money then sell it in 2 years. Unfortunately I may need the money, I'm supporting wife and two kids :), either way I will rent it for two years and see what my situation is at that time and decide..
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There's no question here- keep it 100%. It will be cash flow positive, you have an interest rate that is a quarter of inflation- you'll never see rates like that again. You can depreciate it, you can leverage your equity and scale your portfolio. 

Think of it this way- almost any investor looking at deals today- if they saw the numbers you ALREADY have on this house, that would be a grand slam deal. 

Finally- you don't get free by selling your assets, you get free by keeping them, Don't lose sight of the prize and take the quick payoff VS the life changing, slow burn.

Best of luck!

I know, it's a shame to let this one go.. but are you saying I hold this long term? in which case I will have to pay taxes if I sell it after renting it out for more than three years.. Does the number still work if I hold it for 10+ years? 2100 mortgage is  a 15 year mortgage so will be paid off in 13 years if I leave it a rental.. If I have to sell it within three years, then it almost don't make a lot of difference if I sell it now or in 2-3 years.

Don't sell.

Always asset Quality vs. Quantity for long term wealth. Listen to people whose net worth is more than yours. 90pct of the cash flow crowd make less money in real estate than someone who has a class A property and gets increased cash flow as rents go up and gets appreciation as well over time.

You have couple of years to decide on selling to get primary owner tax free capital gains. Now is a bad time to sell as buyers are burdened by high interest rate. You know the area, self manage, find a qualified tenant with good income and credit history who can sign a 2 year lease. 


 You are right, probably rent for 2 years and sell is the best approach, I will kick myself if it goes up another 50-100k in two years and I sell it now.. Always good to listen to people who have higher net worth :)

Quote from @Corby Goade:

There's no question here- keep it 100%. It will be cash flow positive, you have an interest rate that is a quarter of inflation- you'll never see rates like that again. You can depreciate it, you can leverage your equity and scale your portfolio. 

Think of it this way- almost any investor looking at deals today- if they saw the numbers you ALREADY have on this house, that would be a grand slam deal. 

Finally- you don't get free by selling your assets, you get free by keeping them, Don't lose sight of the prize and take the quick payoff VS the life changing, slow burn.

Best of luck!

I know, it's a shame to let this one go.. but are you saying I hold this long term? in which case I will have to pay taxes if I sell it after renting it out for more than three years.. Does the number still work if I hold it for 10+ years? 2100 mortgage is  a 15 year mortgage so will be paid off in 13 years if I leave it a rental.. If I have to sell it within three years, then it almost don't make a lot of difference if I sell it now or in 2-3 years.

Quote from @Corby Goade:

There's no question here- keep it 100%. It will be cash flow positive, you have an interest rate that is a quarter of inflation- you'll never see rates like that again. You can depreciate it, you can leverage your equity and scale your portfolio. 

Think of it this way- almost any investor looking at deals today- if they saw the numbers you ALREADY have on this house, that would be a grand slam deal. 

Finally- you don't get free by selling your assets, you get free by keeping them, Don't lose sight of the prize and take the quick payoff VS the life changing, slow burn.

Best of luck!

I know, it's a shame to let this one go.. but are you saying I hold this long term? in which case I will have to pay taxes if I sell it after renting it out for more than three years.. Does the number still work if I hold it for 10+ years? 2100 mortgage is  a 15 year mortgage so will be paid off in 13 years if I leave it a rental.. If I have to sell it within three years, then it almost don't make a lot of difference if I sell it now or in 2-3 years.
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I'm moving out of state and trying to decide if I should sell or rent my current home.., my current house built in 1996 is worth about 630k, mortgage balance is 210k on it. monthly payment is 2100 including tax and insurance. market rent is about 3000k. I have low mortgage interest rate on it is 2.6%. House price has potential of going up more.. (bought in 2015 for 340k)

If I keep the house, I can get 3000-2100 = 900/mo (300 less if I use a management company), also over $1000 of the rent each month goes towards principle.

If I sell the house, I can net a little less than 400k, but what can I invest that into that has better return? Airbnb? Crowdfunding Real estate? buy another rental free and clear?

What would be a wise decision?

 sell and move most of the asset to debt/note/specialty financing.
This "good problem" could only worse in the future.

At certain times folks would be mature enough to convert from "equity investors" into becoming a lender in themselves.
When you convert to become a lender, even if the SF asset goes into default, you still make money after the foreclosure proceeding.


 Nice, how do I get started in private lending?  looking to do better than the 5% CD return without too much risks.