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All Forum Posts by: Michael Cox

Michael Cox has started 4 posts and replied 9 times.

Post: Self Managing OOS Rental

Michael CoxPosted
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Update: 
We successfully closed on our first OOS rental in May of this year and have been self managing ever since. It came with a tenant in place which has its positives and negatives. We’ve found a “local agent” which the city requires but he does not charge a monthly fee as he only does work requested by us. We have basically just had the responsibility of the communication when it comes to inspections, repairs, payments ect. We’ve formed a good/respectful relationship with our tenant and ensure any issues are addressed immediately. I think the most important thing for us when investing in OOS rentals is finding a realtor that also owns property in that area. Our realtor introduced us to our “local agent” who has been crucial in our ability to self manage. 

Hey Rahul,

My husband and I recently closed on our first OOS SFR. We faced this dilemma as well. Unsure of how to monitor the property being so far away but also not wanting the added monthly cost of a PM. We closed on this property in May of this year and have thus far been successful is self-managing. I think the advice I would have is this, utilize your resources. Does your Real estate agent own rental property in the area you are buying? (If they don't, next time try and find an agent that does. This was one of our prerequisites for our OOS agent.) How do they manage their property? If they don't, do they know any agents in the area that you bought in who also own rentals in that area? Our agent had a maintenance guy who is essentially a PM without the contract or monthly cost. He does it all, repairs (if a job is too big, he has contacts of local repair shops that he knows and trusts) he will show the property to potential tenants and assist in screening them. He has been a huge component in our ability to self manage. I will also say this, some cities require rentals to have a "Reaponsible Local Agent" or something of the sort when applying for a rental license. Typically this would be the owner of the home or a PM. The catch is this person has to be living or located within X miles of the property. Something to keep in mind if you go the self managing route. Good luck with your first rental!

Quote from @Mitchell Bell:

I'm a military landlord, and am sort of forced into out of state rentals, as we live in one place (buy a house) and rent it after we leave.  

I'll caveat all of this by saying, we are planning to rent our first home in October, so these systems are untested, but it is what we have put in place. 


First, the home is in my hometown (a place we already travel to once or twice a year). This is convenient as we don't have to make special trips, or take time off for rental property alone. This fact really feeds into the other systems we have in place. 

Maintenance: Since we have lived in the home a couple of years, we know it is in a fantastic neighborhood and we know the problems the house has run into thus far (pin hole leak in copper pipe, leaking block window, sprinkler maintenance...etc.). For the maintenance we have done or needed help with, we used a local friend who is a super-handyman. He can fix 90% of the small stuff that pops up, and can give us really good insight on bigger projects (most things feel like big projects, but aren't). The system we set up is a profit share to put him on retainer. We made a google spreadsheet with all of the cyclical maintenance items and when they need to be done; think sprinkler blow out in fall, setup in spring, filter replacement, sump pump testing in spring etc. We totaled the time we thought it would take him to complete the cyclical maintenance, added in a buffer for unexpected maintenance items. Then we averaged out the cost based on a discounted hourly rate. It turned out to be around 12 hours of maintenance a year, multiplied by his hourly rate of $50 an hour discounted to $42; $504/year.  

We then turned this dollar amount into a profit share. We (will) pull in about a $500 a month above mortgage insurance and taxes; $6000/year. Therefore;  $504/$6000*100 = 8.4% profit share. Contrast this with the 10% of total payment (not profit) a property management company will charge. The profit share is a steal, and I get to employ someone we trust.

 This way if the house isn't making money, we don't pay maintenance cost. Also, the more money the house makes, the more money the maintenance guy makes, therefore incentivizing him to respond quickly to requests and keep the renters super happy. The cyclical maintenance schedule ensures we have eyes on the property on a fixed periodicity to fend off anything happening without us knowing, and keep small maintenance items from growing into big ones. For example, if the tenants say the heater is struggling to heat the house, our maintenance guy can show up to diagnose and change the filter (which is the most common cause). Just to get a certified tech out to tell you it was the filter would cost $100-$150 (3 months of retainer!), and we avoid the up-sale of technicians wanting to replace the blower etc.

Tenant screening: We will be doing this ourselves. There are a ton of resources out there to ensure you are selecting good tenants. Also video calls allow us to interview anyone from anywhere. Hopefully we will only have to do this every year or two at most. 

This may not be completely applicable to your case, but hopefully can trigger some ingenuity in your situation. 

I'm also open to suggestions and collaboration! Good Luck!

hi


 This is an interesting strategy. I am slightly confused on the profit share method you are talking about. So you pay your guy $504/year as a retainer, to be available when he is needed. Then in addition to that you pay him 8.4% per month? 

Post: Self Managing OOS Rental

Michael CoxPosted
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Hello All, 

We are coming close to closing on our first long term rental and are faced with the choice of utilizing a property manger vs managing the property ourself. Currently, the property is being leased and we plan to keep the tenants for the time being. Our concern is if they inevitably decide to leave, how do we go about finding a new tenant while being on the other side of the country. We have contact info for a handy man that is known and trusted by our realtor who also owns rental properties in the area, so that aspect is less of a concern. Just curious how we might go about finding a new tenant without being local? Any info would be greatly appreciated! 
Thanks! 

Thanks for the clarification!

Hello,

My name is Libby Cox (I'm the members wife). We are currently working towards purchasing our first investment property. We are hoping to use the BRRRR method. After evaluating our potential markets it has become clear we will not have enough cash for a cash purchase as well as a rehab so we are considering the possibility of using a conventional loan for the original purchase of the property. I have mastered the BRRRR tool when a cash offer is on the table, however I am having trouble understanding the 70% ARV rule when you already have a loan out on the house... I understand that you can take out up to 70% of the ARV post rehab, but when considering the property will already have a loan on it, do you need to subtract the amount of the original loan from the 70% you are trying to pull out? Am I understanding this correctly or am I completely wrong..

Ill give an example. 

Purchase Price: $70,000

Down payment: $17,500

Closing costs: $3000

Loan Amount: $55,500

Rehab Costs: $15,000

ARV: $110,000

So the 70% of the ARV would be $77,000, but we would already have a $55,000 loan out on the home. Would I need to subtract that from the $77,000 in order to determine the actual amount of equity we could pull out? So we could pull out $22,000?

Any help is appreciated=)

I am aware of the seasoning period as well as the possibility of other costs to close the loan. Mostly just hoping for clarification on the analysis aspect. Numbers are hypothetical. 


-Libby

Post: "Out of state BRRRRing is too risky"

Michael CoxPosted
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@Michael Cross that’s exactly what I needed this morning! You re-lit the fire. Thanks man, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply. 

@Nicholas L. We’re in Reno, NV

@Dan H. thank you! Really appreciate the advice!

Post: "Out of state BRRRRing is too risky"

Michael CoxPosted
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My wife and I have 80K to invest in our first rental. We've been wanting to utilize the BRRRR method for some time now, however we'd have to invest out of state in an area where we've never been to. Our goal is to acquire as many rentals as we can before I retire (16 years). I've read all the books, listened to all the podcasts, and watched all the YouTube videos I could find and was HYPED to get the process started. Then a few real estate agents hit me with a dose of reality. "BRRRRing out of state for your first time EVER isn't impossible, but is pretty risky". "Not having a team already established in a market is exposing yourself to significant risk". "If I was you, I'd start with a few properties that are near turn key and rent those out." I don't know if I should listen to this advice or keep pursuing the out of state BRRRR method. Is there anyone out there that has done this (Out of State BRRRRing)? and if so could you help a dude out??

Post: Advice for partnership

Michael CoxPosted
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Hello everyone,

I'm looking for ways to approach a potential partner for a fix and flip. He has the capital for the down payment and I would cover the rehab costs, as well as, I'd be the one performing the rehab. What would be an appropriate and fair way to split profits? This would be my first investment property and any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.