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All Forum Posts by: Micah Grant

Micah Grant has started 3 posts and replied 8 times.

I am meeting with a seller who is looking sell a multi unit to us on half a .5 traditional loan and .5 owner financing(250,000 for both loans). My question is does the seller become the second lien holder in this scenario? Thanks 

Quote from @Sanat Bhandari:

@Micah Grant Lenders won't allow you to use borrowed funds for downpayment on a DSCR loan unless it is from another equity member and/or co-signer on the loan or gift funds. Additionally, the funds have to be seasoned in your/giftor's account for 60 days to be able to used for downpayment

As for paying the (private?) lender back from the higher-than-anticipated financed amount, that all depends on the appraisal. DSCR loans depend highly on the market rent determined by the appraiser on the 1007 form and generally, that is what limits leverage on such loans. If the numbers support, you might be able to get a higher amount than anticipated

Private money lenders are debt partners and care about the return on their money (their cash-on-cash return, if you may). Their rate charged depends on your relationship with them (highly important), the deal itself, and the timeframe for which the funds are expected to be borrowed. Expect to pay anywhere from 10-20% depending on what terms you're looking for 


 Great, thanks for the detailed information, much appreciated!

Quote from @Nathan Harden:

That ratio won't be the problem that you run into, the problem will be needing private funds for the DP. Not sure how far off you are from being able to carry that on your own, but you could always get the equity out of your first two rental properties and put that towards the downpayment.


 Unfortunately right now we are so new into the first two properties there is little to no equity to borrow against.

Quote from @Travis Mullenix:

What if it is not a DSCR loan? What if you are using a traditional commercial loan and using the PML for the down payment? Will this fly? Thanks!


 Yes, I have a great traditional lender in the area, that has done my last two deals for 15% down, 15 year balloon, 25 year Amortization, but I haven't had to go outside for the down payment, so I'm not sure how they (bank) would handle a second investor. 

Quote from @Adam Bartling:

@Micah Grant  NO GO on loan for purchase with Another Loan.  Get more people involved in your deal or look at your retirement account or sell something.

 I do have a lender who will take a 2nd lien position but that still has you at 20% of your team's $ in the deal and on their 2nd position its is a $500,000 Min.


 Thanks for the information, much appreciated!

My wife and have just purchased our first two investment properties with traditional financing and capital. We will be looking at a large multi family unit this weekend but would need about 139,000 for the down payment on 695,000 (purchase price). If I were to bring in a private lender for the down payment on a DSCR loan is it possible to get more than the amount needed financed to pay the lender back. In addition, do most private money lenders charge a percentage based on amount borrowed. Based on the income and expenditures The ratio is projected to be 1.65. Thanks!

Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Micah Grant:

I am working with another investor on a subject to deal (a 4 unit that I will take over payments and finance the equity directly with seller). In calling the two major title/attorney companies in my region I am getting a lot of resistance (you can't do that, it takes a long time, there is no protection for you as a buyer/seller etc.). Can anyone recommend a good title company or attorney in Maine (or New England) who has experience in this matter. 

He is very open to the idea, and likes the "easy" transfer of payment". However, he is 1.) worried about his lender having an issue, and 2.) the loan continuing to show as debt to him as he tries to move into other investments. 

I've not used title or an attorney to close a sub2 house other than to order an indepth O&E title report during my DD.   First American would do them for $150 and it was usually well worth it, especially if it has turned over multiple times and there was an investor, death, dissolution or anomaly discovered in your ownership chain research.  

You could hire an attorney to draft the deed or look online and model it after the ones you see in recorded docs in the county of the property.   Use your title report to fill in the details. 

What does your investor partner or mentor or whatever say as to all this? 


My wife and I purchased our first two investment properties in 2022 with traditional financing (and capital). However, I am working with another investor on a subject to deal (a 4 unit that I will take over payments and finance the equity directly with seller). In calling the two major title/attorney companies in my region I am getting a lot of resistance (you can't do that, it takes a long time, there is no protection for you as a buyer/seller etc.). Can anyone recommend a good title company or attorney in Maine (or New England) who has experience in this matter. Thanks so much!