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All Forum Posts by: Melissa Yatzeck

Melissa Yatzeck has started 2 posts and replied 5 times.

I'm back with an update! 

The tenants began returning calls and agreed to let us in to come and estimate repair costs. I visited the property (it's in Jefferson county, for those of you from Wisconsin) Friday morning with a business partner who is a general contractor to make repair estimates. The short version of the story is that the repairs needed for this property are so extensive that a rehab just isn't workable. However, we are considering a complete teardown and new construction on the property, as there are other new constructions nearby that have sold recently and this seems to be a desirable area for such a home. The new build would most likely be 3 bed/2 bath with an attached 2 car garage, so the ARV would be much higher than the current 2 bed/1 bath cabin. The comps for a 2 bed cabin on a small lot like this support an ARV around $80,000. The larger home would probably sell for something in the $200-$250,000 range, depending on exactly what the build will be.

The owner's story seems to be legit. The current occupants were neighbors. They lost their home to foreclosure and asked permission to move into this cabin temporarily as they knew it was a vacation rental that the owners didn't use frequently. The owner thought this would be a very short term proposition until they figured out what to do next. He and his family weren't really using the cabin anyway, and it was mostly filled with old furniture and files and things they didn't want to store at their home in Illinois. He felt he couldn't charge rent to them as tenants because the cabin wasn't in what he thought was "rentable condition" at the time, and he never thought they would stay this long. He never wanted to be a landlord. The occupants are a couple and one child who is high school age. The owner doesn't want to throw them out on the streets with nowhere else to go. On the other hand, he doesn't want to continue to pay taxes and garbage fees on this property when he's never going to get any return out of it, and also has to worry about the town giving him citations and things. It has gotten to a point where it seems like he just wants to sell the cabin and wash his hands of the whole mess. He's a nice guy and I sympathize with him.

I am planning on making him a few different offers for the property - a low cash offer ($7500), and a couple other higher offers with terms/seller financing. My contractor friend wants to do the rebuild, and we will either go in on it as a partnership (we went in on the direct mail campaign jointly), or we will arrange some kind of buyout, or we will just wholesale the whole thing to someone else. I'm not sure yet exactly what the plan will be, it depends on what purchase price we can negotiate. I don't want to get into a situation where losing money is a possibility, and I'm a little afraid of getting in over my head on this one.

(P.S. If you are near Jefferson County and are interested in getting this deal as a wholesale from me, let me know. I want to reiterate that I do NOT have this under contract yet, and I am still working on it.)

I just wanted to pop back in and say THANK YOU to everyone for all of the excellent advice! I am following up with the seller and will come back and give an update when I have more details. Thanks again, everyone!

@Dan Green Would you put this under contract as a wholesaler, knowing there are people living there under these conditions? Would any investor be interested in this sort of deal? 

@Scott Walther I don't think I would want to take on the eviction as a new investor, but would a more experienced person be interested?

Right now I am trying to decide whether to pursue this as a wholesale deal. I think I need to get some more information from the homeowner. What questions would you ask? 

I'm just starting out with real estate investing. I sent out some direct mail letters, and I have someone who called me back who has a property they want to sell! The owner admitted to me that the property needs a lot of work. He owns it free and clear. 

It is a small 2 bedroom vacation cabin near a lake (not on the lake) in Wisconsin. The story he told me was that about ten years ago some family friends were having a rough time and lost their house to foreclosure, and he let them move into his cabin with the understanding they would help out with maintenance. They never had any written lease or other agreement, and these people have never paid any rent. They have done, in his words, the bare minimum, to maintain the place, including putting on a new roof at some point when it was needed. And now it's been over 10 years! 

He says the property may need to be condemned, he is not even sure how bad it is. He says he knows there are some foundation issues (not a full basement, just a crawl space) and floor joists have been propped up, old six fuse electric, a garage which is falling down and he has gotten notifications from the county/town to tear down or repair, and probably more. He hasn't been inside in a long time, and the people who live there are no longer returning his calls. He lives 2 hours away. I looked it up on Google Maps Street View, and the cabin really doesn't look too bad to me from the street. I can't see the garage (it's behind the house). It's a nice lot, and the houses around look decent enough. 

He has never charged rent or asked for a lease because he doesn't want to be a landlord. (!!!!) He says he really doesn't want to be "the bad guy" and evict these people. But admitted he's been paying taxes on the property all this time and they haven't done anything except live in it ("maintaining it"). He's worried the local law enforcement will continue to send him notifications about garbage in the yard and the falling down garage. When I asked him why he called me, why he wanted to sell now, after all this time, he said that he really wants to buy a pontoon boat, and his wife says he can't buy one until he cleans up this mess and gets rid of this cabin! 

He seems eager to sell, doesn't really seem to care how much he gets for the property, just wants to be done with it.  He said ideally he would sell it to the people living there for the market price minus the estimated cost of repairs, and give them a really great deal, but I think he understands that getting them agree to pay for the place is unlikely. I could buy it, and then attempt to evict these people, but is that a good idea for my first investment purchase? What would you more experienced folks do in this situation?

My husband and I want to start a house flipping business. We have already set up an LLC entity. My sister and her husband are going to be our investors. We have verbally agreed that they will provide 100% of the funds, we will do all of the work, and we will split the profits 50/50 after the sale of the house.

Where can we go to get a simple loan agreement drafted? They have said they would like the house to be listed as collateral against the loan. They have also said they would like to earn at least the current inflation rate. For example, in the event that a house we rehabbed didn't sell for a couple of years, they would be guaranteed a share of the profits equal to at least the rate of inflation during that time period.

I tried a couple of websites where you draft your own loan agreements, and couldn't find any that included these features. Any advice for a newbie?