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All Forum Posts by: Melissa Loupeda

Melissa Loupeda has started 2 posts and replied 8 times.

Quote from @John Warren:

@Melissa Loupeda I wouldn't drive Chicago to get to know the areas. It is a big place! I would rule out the areas you don't want, so you can focus on the areas you do want. Start with the end in mind as they say. Find what you want and work backwards to find the investment areas that fit that. Do you need to be near the airport? Near transit for the loop? North? West? 


 That’s a very good point - thank you 

Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Melissa Loupeda:

I just started looking at foreclosed / pre-foreclosed properties in Boston and getting really excited. I want to temper that excitement a bit because I understand there's a considerable amount of risk involved. I just want a sense of what factors I should be watching out for when it comes to foreclosures. Are these properties to stay clear from when you're first building up your portfolio? As I understand it, there's considerably less protections for buyers and less due diligence state agencies have to do. Just curious what folks think / if anyone has purchased a foreclosed property and when (i.e., when you already had cash flowing properties) 

I'm excited because some of these properties are in good / growing areas and are at a steep discount. What I'm worried about is the actual conditions of the homes / whether they'll need a lot of TLC.. among other things. 

Thanks all! 

Foreclosure comes in different steps. Each provides an opportunity or a disaster.
When someone starts missing their payments and eventually starts getting "Late Notices", that's a good group for creative finance. When it gets to a "Notice to Bring Current" or we will set a Foreclosure date, That's called "Pre-foreclosure and is a good group for creative finance as well.

When it gets having a sale date set, that's called Foreclosure. That's a tough one to work with for various reasons. One, is that there is a lot of money that you need, to bring the loan current and you have very little time to solve the problem. When it gets to the day of the sale, that's called the Auction. In my opinion, it's a very tough time to buy properties because you are bidding against others more sophisticated than you. It's typically an "all cash transaction" and you are buying a house you've never seen the inside of.

If it doesn't sell at the Auction it's called REO (Real Estate Owned) by the bank. They will do their paperwork and a couple months after the Auction, they will put it on the MLS as "Bank Owned". Again, typically "all cash". We focus and teach on the first two with some on the third. And people make a lot of money.

There are “tricks of the trade” on these and we think we are in the beginning stages of this being very lucrative again, in the market. But, it’s also very important to know what you can and what you can’t do and to have your systems in place before proceeding.


 Thank you for breaking down the various phases. I figured it was complicated. My sense was that dealing with pre-foreclosures is most "flexible" but regardless I'd be up against more sophisticated players / need solid processes in place. Something to think about though - especially as you mention this may be lucrative again soon. Much appreciated! 

I just started looking at foreclosed / pre-foreclosed properties in Boston and getting really excited. I want to temper that excitement a bit because I understand there's a considerable amount of risk involved. I just want a sense of what factors I should be watching out for when it comes to foreclosures. Are these properties to stay clear from when you're first building up your portfolio? As I understand it, there's considerably less protections for buyers and less due diligence state agencies have to do. Just curious what folks think / if anyone has purchased a foreclosed property and when (i.e., when you already had cash flowing properties) 

I'm excited because some of these properties are in good / growing areas and are at a steep discount. What I'm worried about is the actual conditions of the homes / whether they'll need a lot of TLC.. among other things. 

Thanks all! 

Quote from @John Warren:

@Melissa Loupeda it sounds like you are on an exciting journey, and I think you are thinking all the right thoughts! The main thing to realize is that there are some areas in Chicago that are very cheap because they are bad areas, and there are some areas that are affordable, but they are fine. You really want to focus less on the property and more on the type of tenant you want to attract. If you have a good person as your tenant, then the rest will fall into place. 

In terms of BRRR, it makes sense to find a property with some upside. That is part of what can propel you forward so much more quickly than other strategies. The trick is not to look for an absolute grand slam, but to understand that sometimes you will leave some equity in some deals. The deals still might be worth doing!

I also would encourage you to look for places that need cosmetic rehab as much as possible. Painting, flooring, landscaping, and other minor cosmetics can be done from afar. You won't have major risk with these projects. Doing major renovations is not simple, and in my opinion, should be avoided until you are multiple deals in. 


This is fantastic, thank you. That's my thinking, no major renovations just yet. I think I may take the "drive around and see homes" approach to get in the field a bit more, gain a sense of the neighborhood and spot potential low hanging fruit. Or would you recommend online research and organizing formal house viewings first? Probably both?

On tenants: My current philosophy is to invest in places I could see myself living in. Not sure if that's short sighted but I assume if I set up homes that I would like to live in I'll attract tenants similar to myself (i.e., young working professionals) which I'll know best how to cater to and will hopefully behave like me (pay rent) so to your point I am mindful not to go too low however tempting on paper.. and it is tempting haha

Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

Hi there @Melissa Loupeda - My first thought is you should move that date up by 6 months ;-) and get that first property sooner!

Chicago is a great place to invest!  We have TONS of multi-family properties that need renovations and there are purchase price points at every level.

When we are looking at value-added properties we either want FULL gut renovations or strictly ONLY cosmetic renovations...nothing in between.  We typically like brick buildings and prefer buildings that already have a forced air system in place if it's cosmetic.

The BRRRR method is always for the NOW, just realize that it may not be the "OLD BRRRR" where you get all your cash back...and that's okay. Getting in the game is more important than hitting a grand slam.

"The key to getting ahead is getting started and the key to getting started is taking your overwhelming task and breaking into incrementally smaller tasks that are far less overwhelming"

I've been tracking the Chicago housing market since 2021 wanting to hop in so perhaps you're right on starting sooner. I appreciate the note on doing either full reno or cosmetic only. I'll likely reach out to you for more Chicago specific notes. 

Quote from @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

@Melissa Loupeda single family with an in-law, live in the in-law. They are all over the boston area, and often in fairly nice locations too. On the MLS you will see words like "excercise room" "bonus room" "finished basement with walkout space" kinda thing. There were a few really appealing ones in Roslindale recently, for instance. It does add a wrinkle qualifying for financing.

I want to structure my research so this is super actionable, thank you. Will start looking in Roslindale just to get a sense of the housing stock but yes .. a wrinkle indeed

Hi @Daniel McDonald! I appreciate your reply - I'll be in touch :)

Hi folks! 

I'm at the start of my investment journey with the goal of owning property by September of 2024. House hacking drew me to real estate and my ideal situation would be to purchase a duplex in Boston to do so. The reality is I'm likely to purchase a MFH out of state - heavily leaning towards a few neighborhoods in Chicago. I will 100% be flying there to assess any properties, no sight unseen deals for me ;) 

I want to open my mind to the BRRR method. I fear the "renovation" piece - having a property that is "cheap" on face value but a disaster to fix (i.e., lighting, plumbing), getting quoted one thing and paying thousands more. Obviously doing your due diligence is critical and the podcast has great points on working with contractors etc. but I'd like any advice I could get to beat my anti-BRRR mindset.

What's your checklist when finding "add value" properties (in my mind that's up and coming area, outdated kitchen/bathroom, not overly in shambles - i.e., needing roof repair). How much should I have in the bank as a security blanket and what should I look for as low barrier to entry add-value properties (I'm thinking unkept yard, old paint etc). And what's the timeline I should reasonably consider (i.e., 6 months of repair before going on the market)? 

Finally, is the BRRR method better for "later on?" When you've established yourself and have modest cash flow through house hacking or something similar? I assume there's no one-size-fits all answer and it depends on your area, finances, individual appetite for risk etc. but I'm curious if people have some rules of thumb here.

Thanks all, excited to hear what people think. 

Sincerely,

A hungry 24 year old ready to learn and work