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All Forum Posts by: Matthew J.

Matthew J. has started 10 posts and replied 33 times.

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5

This is the question I asked to Ground Floor. "Who will get paid first in the case of Ground Floor bankruptcy? Notes or LROs?". Their answer was "To clarify, Notes are secured by the Company's assets and LROs are secured by real estate. In an event of bankruptcy, LROs would be paid off by the real estate and Notes would be paid off with the Company's assets.

There is no preferential treatment to either - there is no order of payment. Thank you"

So what do you think? LROs or Notes are safer?

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Matthew J.:
Quote from @Sean Kelly-Rand:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Matthew J.thew J.

Other debt funds

7e investments (which is mine)

PPR

Aspen Funds

Labrador lending

These are just a few others I can think of off top of my head but there are many others as well.

Go search sec Edgar search then out keyword I. Parenthesis - it will show all the reg d and reg an offerings that are available.

@Matthew J. I would add our (RD Advisors) fund RD REDF II,LP to Chris's list. Also it's probably good to compare offerings for structure as everyone is a little different. We're a regionally focus (c. 90% of our loans in the Boston MSA) - others might be pro's at ground up lending, or cannabis etc... and different minimums etc... 

We did a webinar awhile back on debt investing which I believe people found useful. We've also raised on Crowdstreet in the past so while we aren't a crowdfunding website we offered our fund on their platform (they just introduce to be clear, it doesn't go through them)

Chris, you are a wealth of knowledge. I'm in the industry and I appreciate your posts here. I have no idea how you find the time to answer all the questions you do but it is impressive!


 I think in all these crowdfunding sites, the missing point is the risk level. I am not sure if they do this on purpose or not but it is never clearly explained. I am still researching for Ground Floor, FundThatFlip and Fundrise/privateEquity with no avail. In this thread after many days and several questions, there has yet to be an answer so as to which gets paid first LROs or Notes when Ground Floor bankrupts.

I asked the same question in Ground Floor facebook groups snd no one was able to.answer among 1268 members. I sent an email to several team members in Ground Floor none of then replied back. Then I found high level people in Ground Floor in linkedin and asked the same question there and still no replies.

Why dont they want to answer? The more scary question is howcome thousands of people investing in an instrument without knowing the risk level? unbelievable

The reason no one is answering is because there are NO notes issued to an investor. Not sure I can explain it any clearer. Replace Notes with pantyhose. Groundfloor buys pantyhose and investors give Groundfloor money to buy more pantyhose. Once someone invests, groundfloor issues the buyer a LRO. If they go bankrupt the pantyhose is the product they will sell to pay back the LRO's but the LRO's are not secured. 

The answer of why people invest without risk level is because they think its cool product.


 Thanks for your patience

I understood that LROs are definitely not secured and in the case of Ground Floor's bankruptcy, they are probably at the bottom of the stack.

So Notes are relatively more secured? 

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Sean Kelly-Rand:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Matthew J.thew J.

Other debt funds

7e investments (which is mine)

PPR

Aspen Funds

Labrador lending

These are just a few others I can think of off top of my head but there are many others as well.

Go search sec Edgar search then out keyword I. Parenthesis - it will show all the reg d and reg an offerings that are available.

@Matthew J. I would add our (RD Advisors) fund RD REDF II,LP to Chris's list. Also it's probably good to compare offerings for structure as everyone is a little different. We're a regionally focus (c. 90% of our loans in the Boston MSA) - others might be pro's at ground up lending, or cannabis etc... and different minimums etc... 

We did a webinar awhile back on debt investing which I believe people found useful. We've also raised on Crowdstreet in the past so while we aren't a crowdfunding website we offered our fund on their platform (they just introduce to be clear, it doesn't go through them)

Chris, you are a wealth of knowledge. I'm in the industry and I appreciate your posts here. I have no idea how you find the time to answer all the questions you do but it is impressive!


 I think in all these crowdfunding sites, the missing point is the risk level. I am not sure if they do this on purpose or not but it is never clearly explained. I am still researching for Ground Floor, FundThatFlip and Fundrise/privateEquity with no avail. In this thread after many days and several questions, there has yet to be an answer so as to which gets paid first LROs or Notes when Ground Floor bankrupts.

I asked the same question in Ground Floor facebook groups snd no one was able to.answer among 1268 members. I sent an email to several team members in Ground Floor none of then replied back. Then I found high level people in Ground Floor in linkedin and asked the same question there and still no replies.

Why dont they want to answer? The more scary question is howcome thousands of people investing in an instrument without knowing the risk level? unbelievable

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Matthew J.

You are confusing what they are buying versus what you are buying

You are buying a LRO. They are taking YOUR money and investing it in secured notes.

Just like Apple takes your money when you buy shares of stock and creates iPhones - you are not buying iPhones you are buying shares of a company. The company will tell you about those shares and all the risk

My recommendation is to avoid any types of these offerings as if you don’t know what your investing in, your gonna get burned.

Check out posts on Peer street to understand the difference as they invested in secured notes but investors were not secured.


 Chris I agree with you on LROs which are unsecured

Notes are secured promissory notes. So what you are saying is GF is buying secured investments with the money they gather from Notes but the Notes itself is not secured for buyers of Notes like me?

Did I understand correctly?

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Matthew J.

The way it reads is they buy secured notes but your investment is not a secured note. You have a LRO which is unsecured and they can change it at anytime

you are saying "your investment is not a secured note" but it says "secured promissory note" next to the Notes offering.

I am confused

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Matthew J.:

So I have been researching crowdfunding Hard Money Loans and I found Ground Floor. There are 2 types of investments, one thru LROs and another is Notes. I was not able to find any info in regards to their risks in case GF goes bankrupt. Customer service replies are not clear to me.

Does anyone here know what happens to LROs and Notes seperately if GF bankrupts? What are the individual risks here?


 Forget FTF.
 
For groundfloor, the notes are the safest compare to individual lending but still ****it's not actually being "secured" to any asset****LOL.
The risk is still huge.

In case GF gone bankrupt , your money is gone, it's very simple.


 Carlos it says secured next to Notes. But you are saying it is not secured by any asset. Can you explain further

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Matthew J.

Really need to understand the offering and what you are investing in. If they cannot answer your questions to me that’s a red flag but I don’t know how aggressive you have been in getting questions answered. There are numerous private debt funds out there to invest in. Have you researched other funds? Why did you choose groundlfoor?

I only know fundthatflip, groundfloor and fundrise. Fundthatflip requires investors to be accredited which I am not. Fundrise I am still researching. Groundfloor I got access to their facebook groups and found answers to many questions except 1. Which one gets paid first when GF bankrupts? Notes or LROS?

Do you have a list of all platforms?

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Matthew J.:

So I have been researching crowdfunding Hard Money Loans and I found Ground Floor. There are 2 types of investments, one thru LROs and another is Notes. I was not able to find any info in regards to their risks in case GF goes bankrupt. Customer service replies are not clear to me.

Does anyone here know what happens to LROs and Notes seperately if GF bankrupts? What are the individual risks here?


 Forget FTF.
 
For groundfloor, the notes are the safest compare to individual lending but still ****it's not actually being "secured" to any asset****LOL.
The risk is still huge.

In case GF gone bankrupt , your money is gone, it's very simple.

 Can you tell me why Notes are safer than LROs? I found some info below maybe it helps. Why did you say notes are not tied to any asset? It says "secured" next to it. Also why did you say forget fundthatflip? What is wrong with them?

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Matthew J.

Really need to understand the offering and what you are investing in. If they cannot answer your questions to me that’s a red flag but I don’t know how aggressive you have been in getting questions answered. There are numerous private debt funds out there to invest in. Have you researched other funds? Why did you choose groundlfoor?


 I googled with many keywords and I was only able to find ground floor and fundthatflip which I already invested in. I was looking for crowdfunding hard money loan. If you know any other hard money loan crowndfunding sites please let me know

Ground Floor is not new and I already received many responses to my questions in reddit and facebook but nobody seems to grasp the underlying risk thorougly. In this forum ground floor was discussed numerous times but nobody discussed what happens if GF bankrupts.

Post: Anybody invested in Ground Floor LROs or Notes?

Matthew J.Posted
  • West palm beach, FL
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 5

So I have been researching crowdfunding Hard Money Loans and I found Ground Floor. There are 2 types of investments, one thru LROs and another is Notes. I was not able to find any info in regards to their risks in case GF goes bankrupt. Customer service replies are not clear to me.

Does anyone here know what happens to LROs and Notes seperately if GF bankrupts? What are the individual risks here?