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All Forum Posts by: Tim Silvers

Tim Silvers has started 38 posts and replied 175 times.

Post: KKOS/ MARK KOHLER or ANDERSON ADVISORS?

Tim SilversPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Scott Mac:

Hi Tim,

If I were making this decision, I would have an in person meeting with each firm, at their office (expecting a sales pitch from them).

While there (at a minimum) I would ask for an office tour, and to meet the specific employees who would be handling my business.

Such as Mary X., CPA, and Delila Y., Bookeeper, as well as Partner Z., and backup Partner A., who would take over your account in the event Partner A. dropped over from a massive coronary or similar incident. 

I'd try to get an idea of typical response times from those who would be responding to my needs--at different times of the year (Does Y always go on 2 weeks vacation in September, creating a backlog of work that holds up quarterlies--how do they handle maternity leave, etc...).

Things such as above, in addition to specifics of your businesses.

I would also ask them to draw up an apples to apples mock yearly cost for gross services, and discuss audit costs and audit payment plans, as well as where they fall on aggressiveness of tax write offs, from conservative to potentially dodgy, and make sure that fits your risk profile.

Everyone will have different opinions about what is important to them, and in person visits might help clear the muddy waters a bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_9hYMVVv_Q

 Good Luck!

I agree, in person visits are best, however, given the logistics with KKOS for example (they are out of state) and the fact that in person visits are risky given the pandemic, Zoom calls are the next best thing. Like the old school Ed Asner approach, by the way. Thanks for the tips!

Post: KKOS/ MARK KOHLER or ANDERSON ADVISORS?

Tim SilversPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Greg Schuricht:


I've consulted with both Anderson and KKOS. I hired KKOS for a few minor services (LLC setup, property conveyance, and 30 minute consultation). I was very satisfied with the advice I got.

I did two free consultations with Anderson, and both times I left feeling like I was being oversold on something I didn't need. I also felt like they were using fear tactics to get me to sign up for their platinum membership.  I never felt like I was being oversold with KKOS.

If you work with either of these companies, you will not get to work with the faces you see on YouTube.  Clint Coons and Toby Mathis put out great content, but working with their companies is a different story.  With KKOS Mark Kohler is upfront in his content that most clients don't work with him directly.  But the individuals I did work with provided great advice and didn't oversell me on something I didn't need.

Thanks for responding. If you don't mind, who did you work with @ KKOS?

Post: KKOS/ MARK KOHLER or ANDERSON ADVISORS?

Tim SilversPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 32

I'm fairly well-versed in the areas of asset protection, having been a client of many attorneys and accountants over the years and have my own way of doing business using various entities, but still need assistance and advice as circumstances change over time. I've read many of the reviews, but the majority of them are years old. .

What I've been doing:

For last several years - operating using a combination of LLCs, C-Corps, land trusts.

Control everything, own nothing - keep myself off all public records.

Keeping business income completely separate from any personal income (LLCs are all owned by C-corp).

What I need moving forward:

- Attorney & CPA experienced in R.E. investment

- Virtual (i.e. Skype) or phone consulting

- year end tax minimization strategies for existing entities

- SBA disaster loans (EIDL, PPP) advice specific to my needs

- existing multiple entity review, consulting, cleanup & re-evaluation

- document review

- corporate tax return assistance & filing

What I don't need:

Entity formation (I use my own sources)

Bookkeeping, misc. services

What I've gleaned from initial free consultations:

KKOS/MARK KOHLER:

PROS:

- past reviews seems to be altogether positive

- I would likely be working with one of their partners, not Kohler himself (he charges $600.hr)

- initial consultation fee applied to work

- hourly rate off $350 - no membership programs but they do have specials like the entity cleanup

CONS:

- separate tax/accounting firm from the legal side

- have no idea how many hours I might rack up

- no experience with KKOS to date.

ANDERSON ADVISORS:

- Anderson's Tax Advantage Program: $2995 (in addition to the Platinum membership ($2995)

- tax advisor assesses current business & tax situation

- advance tax planning & prep

- audit protection

- living trust ($2,500)

- Platinum Membership Enrollment Fee Waived + $35 a month

- Business Continuity Program

- Advanced Strategy Analyzer- Structure Implementation Workshop

- Unlimited Attorney Consultations

- Unlimited Questions with Tax Team (Tax Attorney, CPA, etc.)

- Online Retirement Coach

- Risk-Free Wealth Analysis

I had been a tax client of Anderson in prior years, but never signed up for any of their client programs.

PROS:

- I particularly like the fact they combine their legal and tax teams to figure out the right strategy customized to your situation and goals all under one roof - but that comes at a premium.

- no hourly billing

- attorneys licensed in NV where I operate

- Platinum membership provides unlimited consultations, emails from their legal team as opposed to billable hours

- in-house access with a Sr. Advisor to bring it all together

CONS:

- Reputation for upselling more unneeded programs even with Platinum membership

- if their push is in selling entities and structures and more programs, then they are not for me

- need more of an a la carte service where I can use them when I need them, whereas with KKOS or any other attorney/CPA firms, it's billable hours.

Would appreciate any and all input to help navigating toward my decision.

Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

@Aidan Mulligan No, you have no rights to the property.  It is simply a way to put pressure on a seller if they change their mind.  This is used almost exclusively by wholesalers because they’ve found found a desperate or uninformed owner, got them to agree to a low ball price, then the owner realizes they got hosed on the price so they may try and get out of it.

Also, you will face liability should you Not terminate the Memorandum when applicable....you can’t buy it or find another buyer.

Actually, we have brought a claim against a seller in breach for selling the property to another buyer, but it was a Lis Pendens, and was settled in our favor. The contract is a legal binding instrument and there are consequences for bother buyers and sellers. I have zero mercy for sellers that blatantly forego a signed contract for a better deal with another buyer. When we, as the buyer, did everything in good faith, put EMD in escrow, and had/have every intention to close even if we didn't find an end buyer, the seller deserves to be penalized. They signed the contract. If we have to, we will proceed against these types of sellers and every wholesaler should.

Post: Real Estate Kingdom Todd Fleming

Tim SilversPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 32

So a note is created that allows for a larger wholesale fee. I assume the buyer is on the hook for a note which is secured against the property? If the buyer is using hard money, then the wholesaler will be in 2nd position. Can someone pls clarify? 

Has anyone brought suit against the seller for breach in the event they decide not to sell?

This would be on a case-by-case basis and depend on the amount of the wholesale fee. In most cases, probably not worth the legal costs and time unless (a) the wholesale fee justified it, and (b) there are other assets to attach, otherwise, you would be replacing one lien for another on the property.

Post: Real Estate Kingdom Todd Fleming

Tim SilversPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Eric Richner:
Originally posted by @Greg Purcell:

So what is the crux of his approach? What is the basic approach to produce 'residual' revenue?  

I watched his 20 minute intro video. It told me nothing except how his method is better .. blaa blaa blaa very typical sales funnel type stuff. He starts the video saying he "Has nothing to sell you" then it turns out he's selling a training program. It lacks integrity from square one. 

I am curious how he produces both cash at sale and an ongoing revenue from a wholesale deal. Can (will) any one whose taken his course explain the basic concept? 

Thanks. 

 Greg, it's simple, you ask for less up front and create a note. In the end you get paid significantly more than if you were to take an instant wholesale fee.

I posted a link up above, check it out and if the group is a good fit, than there is nothing to lose in a free trial. If it's not, there may be other resources out there that is a better fit.

Post: Real Estate Kingdom Todd Fleming

Tim SilversPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Eric Richner:
Originally posted by @Greg Purcell:

So what is the crux of his approach? What is the basic approach to produce 'residual' revenue?  

I watched his 20 minute intro video. It told me nothing except how his method is better .. blaa blaa blaa very typical sales funnel type stuff. He starts the video saying he "Has nothing to sell you" then it turns out he's selling a training program. It lacks integrity from square one. 

I am curious how he produces both cash at sale and an ongoing revenue from a wholesale deal. Can (will) any one whose taken his course explain the basic concept? 

Thanks. 

 Greg, it's simple, you ask for less up front and create a note. In the end you get paid significantly more than if you were to take an instant wholesale fee.

I posted a link up above, check it out and if the group is a good fit, than there is nothing to lose in a free trial. If it's not, there may be other resources out there that is a better fit.

Post: Anderson Business Advisors

Tim SilversPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Wilco Ravestijn:

I've recently enrolled in the Anderson system and so far I'm really pleased. It wasn't cheap however, one of the main reason I did it was because they combine their legal and tax teams to figure out the right strategy customized to your situation and goals. I've spent so much time and money with Attorneys setting up a legal strategy and they'd tell me to go find a CPA who in turn would offer tax advice contrary to how my legal entities were structured. These 2 departments usually don't converse well with each other. At Anderson they do and are strategically integrated in the overall strategy.

Another major factor that makes sense is that they don't charge hourly. Ofcourse it's a heafty chunk upfront but to me I like this. That means in theory, you become a priority. Essentially I'm buying into a strategic partner who is now vested in me. I'm big on building a life team and I needed someone like these guys in my corner. Included in my membership is unlimited tax or legal questions, Unlimited LLC set up, Document review up to 2x 15 page documents per month. This I was excited about because it saves me money. I usually end up spending $100+ with attorneys for simple questions and often they don't know my set up.

The way I broke down my decision to move forward with them was that I looked at how much I had to lose were there ever a situation that arose that I need asset protection and how much I gained in tax savings as well. Like insurance, you pay thousands of $$$ over the course of years where nothing happens, and then 1 incident happens and all of it pays for itself. That's how I justified the upfront cost. If you don't have a big enough asset base yet, wait until you do. Probably 5 years ago, I wasn't ready to sign on with them. But if you have enough to lose, why would you want to risk it by going cheap and patching things up disjointed here. It really is a complete system and I like that. I can go to 1 place and get this part of my life and business taken care of with confidence. 

Hope this helps. 

I am considering retaining ABA and wondered if you're still with them and satisfied since your post was 2 years back. Would appreciate the feedback.

Post: what are your thoughts using Anderson advisors?

Tim SilversPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 32

Appreciate the response and links.

Just curious - were you a former client of Anderson? I am searching through all the BP threads trying to find the best fit for me in terms of asset protection/law/CPA firm that specialize in real estate investment and have narrowed it down to Anderson or KKOS/Mark Kohler. I operate out of Nevada so have known of Anderson for many years. I had been a tax client of Anderson in prior years, but never signed up for any of their client programs. I was always hesitant about the upselling into various structures and services that are available for far less expense (e.g. I would never form an entity with them when I can do it online with a firm that charges a fraction of what they charge). But I like the idea that everything's under one roof with their Platinum package and get unlimited consultations, emails from their legal team as opposed to billable hours. I just don't know how well it would work since I already have all the entities and would just need advice, consulting, cleanup, and filing returns, that's pretty much it!

Would appreciate any updated information if you would be willing to add to your above post.

Thanks again.