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All Forum Posts by: Mike Stahlman

Mike Stahlman has started 32 posts and replied 76 times.

Post: Rental Property from Wholesaler

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $139,900
Cash invested: $15,000

Acquired in August 2022 for $139,900

Year built : 1962
County : St Charles
Beds : 3
Baths : 1.5
Square Feet : 1084
Lot Size : 9680
Units : 1

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Price, location, neighbor of friend.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Neighbor told me about it and I saw it post on a wholesale site we have worked with in the past. Made a solid offer and acquired the house.

How did you finance this deal?

Used a Business LOC from an existing Rental HELOC for a low interest loan along with a loan from the same lender for the rest. Then when Complete did a Cash Out Refi. Pulled out most of our investment.

How did you add value to the deal?

Finished an unfinished sun porch to add 400 SF to the house. Full cosmetic rehab.

What was the outcome?

Great property, Great Cash flow. Lots of value.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Create a good product people want to rent in a good neighborhood and it is easy to find good quality renters.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Home Bank in Lake St. Louis, MO

Post: North Meadow BRRR with 30 year fixed DSCR

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $139,900
Cash invested: $30,000

We bought looking at the house next door that sold in 2019 for 220k as a comp. Updated the kitchen and appliances. Kitchen, dining, and hall floors, the rest of the up stairs had great hardwood flooring. We changed the slab doors and trim to white 6 panel doors, and all new trim. Painted the house interior and cleaned up / repaired the out side. Did some basement foundation repairs. Cash out refi for $165 pulling out all our cash and ended up with a good rental with great cash flow.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

We saw potential to do a BRRR and was the first new rental deal we found since Covid.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Found it on Real Estate Site - MLS but was actually from a wholesaler we knew about that had it for about 8 years. I believe they wanted to let it go to do a 1031 and timing just worked out for us.

How did you finance this deal?

75k Interest only Loan and a Business Line of Credit from another property we have used several times and paid back.

How did you add value to the deal?

New Kitchen and flooring. Repaired an unsightly basement. Fixed drainage problems.

What was the outcome?

Got our total investment out in a 30 year fixed refi. Paid off the Interest only loan and line of credit. 345 a month Cash flow.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Do not be afraid of the market or interest rates. If the numbers work and the deal is good trust your instincts. But know your numbers and leave room for error.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

A local bank, Home Bank in Lake St. Louis, MO. for the Interest only loan and Business Line of Credit.
Dominion Financing for the 30 year DSCR loan.

Post: North Meadow BRRR with 30 year fixed DSCR

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $139,900
Cash invested: $30,000

This is a property we bought looking at the house next door that sold in 2019 for 220k as a comp. We updated the kitchen with new cabinets and appliances, kitchen, dining, and hall floors with new flooring. the rest of the up stairs had great hardwood flooring. We changed the slab doors and trim to white 6 panel doors, and all new trim. Painted the house interior and cleaned up / repaired the out side. Did some work on the basement foundation. In the end we did a cash out refi for $165 pulling out all our cash and ended up with a good rental with great cash flow.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

We saw potential to do a BRRR and was the first new rental deal we found since Covid.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Found it on Real Estate Site - MLS but was actually from a wholesaler we knew about that had it for about 8 years. I believe they wanted to let it go to do a 1031 and timing just worked out for us.

How did you finance this deal?

75k Interest only Loan and a Business Line of Credit from another property we have used several times and paid back.

How did you add value to the deal?

New Kitchen and flooring. Repaired an unsightly basement. Fixed drainage problems.

What was the outcome?

Got our total investment out in a 30 year fixed refi. Paid off the Interest only loan and line of credit. 345 a month Cash flow.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Do not be afraid of the market or interest rates. If the numbers work and the deal is good trust your instincts. But know your numbers and leave room for error.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

A local bank, Home Bank in Lake St. Louis, MO. for the Interest only loan and Business Line of Credit.
Dominion Financing for the 30 year DSCR loan.

Post: Accepting a year's Rent from Tenant

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

Hello we are in Missouri.  We have 12 Rental houses.  This is a new one on us so need a little advice.  Tenants paid first years rent up front.

We have vetted and accepted a tenant that is good.  Great credit score, no evictions, no criminal records, etc.  They are from Florida and he is a truck driver with a good work history and provided past six months pay stubs.  He had two letters from prospective employers in the area and was deciding which to accept.  They were living in a hotel at the time trying to get a house to rent.  This was another reason he wanted to pre pay.  He said they had the money from the sale of their house but he currently was not working and wanted to not worry about the rent for a year.  Since they moved in he has attained a job.   

We accepted the full amount October 1st.  Is there a way we can put the money in a separate account, trust, etc. so we are not accepting the full amount in our account as income for this year.  If so, what are the good and bad implications of this?  I am not worried about the tenants and will keep an eye on the property and them.  Again, we did our due diligence on them before we accepted them.  Now we are trying to make sure we can separate the funds so we do not use them in case something falls through and they move out early for any reason.  Also wanting to minimizing taxes this year etc.

I did try to talk them in to keeping the money in a savings and earn interest on it or something but he said because he did not currently have a job, and knew they would not be accepted without a job unless they paid a good amount up front and that is what they had decided.  

Thank you.
 

Post: Is partner capital the total capital we have invested over time?

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

We have 10 SF rental properties purchased since 2017 through our LLC. The LLC is a partnership between my wife and myself.

1. For tax preparation, 2021, the 1065 form has a question about partner capital.  Is partner capital over the life of the business for all years, or only for the current year?

2. Are cash loans to the company i.e. a down payment for a loan, or buying a property with cash out of our pocket considered Partner Capital?

We currently draw no income from the business.  All money goes back in the business to buy additional properties.

Post: Age, how many rentals, and type of rentals?

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

My wife and I started around 58-59 back in 2016. We are now looking for our 15th project. We got started by selling our first rental property we acquired in 2009 to get the cash to buy, flip, rent, more houses. We created our LLC in October of 2016. Since then we have flipped/renovated 14 houses and currently have 9 long term rentals and one of our son has one we helped him with.

Our goal, we are mostly working on passive income for retirement. Shooting for 30 doors in next 2 years that all have nice positive cash flow.  We are also looking to consolidate and/ or moving to Multifamily in the near future.

Our why, very comfortable passive income in 2-3 years when I retire to give us the freedom to travel and relax more.  We also want to have a legacy to pass down to our 3 Sons and their families.  

Our Team, we have hired several contractors and they do most of the work.  We keep an eye on them closely and only use the ones we like and trust.  Believe me that is probably one of the more difficult tasks in this game.  We do some (very little) of the work but mostly contract out the big stuff like Kitchens and flooring, our contractors that we keep close are an Electric, Plumbing, Flat work (concrete), and a good foundation guy (basements leak and or crack around here and that work can be very expensive from a big companies).  We bid out drywall and painting.  We have our great handyman do most of the rest of smaller jobs.  The rest of our team consists of a good Realtor, Title Company, and Real Estate lawyer.  We use a property manager for all our rentals. We just add that to the cost of the deal when we do the numbers on the property. We have our renters properly vetted using a through process the renter applicant pays for.  Bad Credit, multiple legal cases, bad or no rental history, are all deal breakers.  

One good note is... If we had it to do over we would have found and used a good hard money lender from the start. Instead we used our money for down payments, using Bank loans and or interest only loans then refinanced the houses using a local bank to do most of the rehabs and flips. We have more invested in the process than we would like to have. Even with that, we are cash flow and cash on cash return positive because the numbers always worked. Be precocious and always have a bigger buffer than you think you need. It worked for us at the time however we will use a hard money lender from now for future deals. They are faster to close and you do not tie up your own money. Ironically, the very first time we went to a REI group meeting, the first thing we were told and I remember it every day was, "Don't use your own money to buy a house." We did not understand the gravity of that comment then, but I can't think of a better thing to say to a new investor. I thought to invest you had to use your own money. But that is not the case. I could not imagine how to buy a house without using our own money. But you can. I remember several times throughout our past years repeating things I had heard on Youtube or BP to my wife like, "We need to buy another house but with no money down." My wife's normal response was, "No one will loan us money for another house with no money down". But the will.

It is good to look for a lender and know where they are - ask other investors (REI groups) who they use and the fees involved and build some kind of relationship with a couple of them. Keep a good credit score - this is all crucial - then when you find a good deal, you will be able to get financed. That is the beauty of this business. Finding a deal is hard and you need to be fast and good at knowing what a good deal looks like. Money will be there if the deal is good. At first evaluate every deal as if you were going to buy it. See what the numbers are and discuss with another investor for thoughts. Once you have evaluated several deals you should be able to get the feel for what a good deal looks like. Don't overthink and don't be afraid to pull the trigger. Not doing a first deal within the first year probably means you are not suited for this.

Another good note...  Someone said, "With every deal you do, you either make money, or you learn something from it."  We have worked out payments with sellers, and purchased houses with cash, paid for all the repairs and financed out 100% in the end.  Those are the deals you really feel great about.  Fortunately, the most we have lost on a house is $500.  It was a house that could not be rented due to a new ordinance.  We had to sell it.  It was a good lesson.  

Good luck and hope to hear from others on this also.

Post: Window company needed - St Louis

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

We use Penny Window for most of our stuff.  They are good to work with and reasonably priced.

Post: Getting to the Next Level

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

Hello, We have been purchasing homes for the past 4 years and have 9 rental houses.  They cash flow between $200 and $470 a month.  They are all in the St. Louis, St. Charles counties in Missouri.  We have purchased these by putting up our own money as down payments or purchased the houses with our own cash rehabbed them then financed them out.  Now we sort of hit a wall where we can not get many more 30 year fixed mortgages.  We also do not want to continue putting our own cash in the properties.  So we are looking for options either to sell some of our cash flowing properties and 1031 exchange in to an apartment complex.  Or start using a lender that will finance any new purchase and rehab costs.  I know there are lots of them and we have a good relation with one.  I am not looking for financing offers!!! 

My question is, how can we move to Multi family?  I think that will give us better growth potential but I am not sure how to get there from here. 

Thanks

Post: Buy and hold, doubled the value.

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $82,500

#13 Purchased as a fixer upper to rent and hold. Bought as a 2 BR 1 bath, added bed and bath rooms and doubled the value of the house.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Good rental property at about 1/2 what the property could be worth.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Local wholesaler made offer slightly lower than asking.

How did you finance this deal?

Local bank interest only then convert to 30 year fixed.

How did you add value to the deal?

Added Bedroom and Bathroom

What was the outcome?

Nice house rented in about a week after completed with 6 applications.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

There was a slight holdup with permits because I wanted the plumber, electrician etc to pull their own. But on any job I will pull my own permits up front from now on because the contractors are not good at following through so just do it yourself.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

no

Post: Property 9 Buy and hold property

Mike StahlmanPosted
  • Investor
  • Saint Peters, MO
  • Posts 88
  • Votes 23

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $126,500

Single family Buy and Hold Property