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All Forum Posts by: Max McGuirk

Max McGuirk has started 1 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: Apartment complex owners

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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You’re right. I heard New York is the worst.

Post: Apartment complex owners

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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Originally posted by @Allyssa McCleery:

I have heard that staying in the mid-size apartment building range (50-150 units) weeds out a lot of other investors because the majority of investors are mostly focused on smaller deals (less than 10 units) and the large institutional investors are looking for the larger buildings (200+ units). It is always good to be in a niche whenever possible so I think you have a good strategy in place. What markets are you focusing on? What do you mean by landlord friendly?

Allyssa thank you. That makes a lot of sense. For whatever reason at the moment the larger deals just dont get me too excited. Maybe because the feel unattainable at the moment or a really big risk. 30-70 units feel like something I can get my hands on. 

By landlord friendly I mean how some states lean towards the tenant or the landlord. California’s laws for instance are more tenant friendly and could take many months to eveixt a tenant if necessary causing much more overhead costs and headache for the landlord.  Some states are more landlord friendly and favor that side. As a property owner I look for states that favor the landlord.  

Post: Apartment complex owners

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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Ray I plan to buy and hold. My 30 single family homes all cash flow very well and I have no reason or need to sell them. I plan to buy and hold an apartment complex and then maybe after some time refinance if I want money out of it to purchase other multifamily opportunities. Yes I am looking outside of my state in other areas of the Midwest where rent and properties are land lord friendly and somewhat affordable. I’m looking to partner up with others that may be in my same situation. 

Post: Apartment complex owners

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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Originally posted by @Rhonda Wilson:

@Max McGuirk Is there a specific reason that you want a full-time, on-site manager? We have a 14-unit. We don't have an on-site, but there is an on-site manager at a nearby (much larger) property that also manages ours. Our property is managed as sort of a "little sister." It works out. We actually get some benefit because when people call her looking for vacancies, they can direct them to either building. Anyway, the economics don't work out below a certain apartment count. 

Rhonda,

How far away are the other properties?  How do you pay that property manager? 

Post: Apartment complex owners

Max McGuirkPosted
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Originally posted by @Chase McArthur:

@Max McGuirk

First decide how much capital you have to play with, then go from there.

As for the size, there's only 2 factors that are really at play, how much it will need to be managed and how much cash flow it will produce. These 2 factors are also interrelated, the higher the cash flow the more management will be required. The more units you have will also determine how much maintenance will be required.

Your biggest deciding factor should be how much of a return you require. More units doesn't necessarily equate to higher returns.

For example:

A 10 unit, $750k property that has $120k CF with $20k in expenses gives you a 13% return.

Where a 100 unit, $7M property that has $1M CF with $300k in expenses gives you a 10% return.

In a perfect world those numbers are amazing, however, the larger and older the property, the larger the CAPEX, which can completely destroy your returns. Not to mention, larger debt servicing, higher taxes, higher property management fees etc. All these factors eventually come into play, but ultimately it's up to you to decide how much of a headache you want at the end of the day, one that requires a few tylenol or one that requires morphine.

Personally, I'd rather own several smaller properties than one large one. In this game its all about diversifying and its hard to diversify with one property.

When you say several smaller properties, how many units are you talking about?  I like the idea of smaller properties, I just don’t want to self manage a 30 unit on my own. How would you go about having multiple smaller properties managed?  Or even just one 24-36 unit managed until you could get another?

Post: Apartment complex owners

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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I appreciate all of that information. I’ve analyzed a handful of deals lately. All of them have been B or C assets with a value add component. 60-80 units in the Midwest where I’m located is what I’ve been looking for at the moment. I have enough cash to put down for 20-25% and a couple of small banks that are willing to finance on properties $2 million or less. Finding assets that are 60-80 units and in that price range I’ve seen is a little bit difficult.   Besides going out and finding money to buy a larger asset, what other important things do I need to consider. I’m well versed in single family homes with a portfolio of 30 cash flowing sfr homes. I know this is completely different. That’s why I’m asking advice from multi family owners. 

Post: Apartment complex owners

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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Looking to get into purchasing an apartment complex. What is the best size? I would rather have an on-site property manager. I would rather have the property at least 75% occupied. I would like to get feedback on some things I wouldn’t necessarily know coming from a single family investment background.

Post: Mentoring Cost $20,000

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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Originally posted by @Michael Burks:

@John Ellerman @Todd Dexheimer Thank you both for taking the time to post.  Your advice is very much appreciated.  

Michael did you ever end up getting into a multi family mentor program? I’m in the same trying to see if Brad Sumrok or Think Muktifamily program makes sense for $20-$25k. 

I’m heavily invested in single family homes in the Midwest. Plenty of skin in the game and experience with contractors, real estate attorneys, bankers, and brokers. I am green when it comes to multi family apartments. I’ve got a nice amount of cash to get started in a multifamily project. I also have multiple people with cash and 401k money that want to invest with me as well.     Just checking to see if you had done anything and if you did what direction you went?   I’ve considered going to Sumroks next weekend event just to network.  

Post: Looking to purchase an apartment to rent in Tulsa

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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I’m interested in purchasing multi family units in Tulsa as well. I would like to invest in Tulsa because that’s where I live and where I invest in single family homes.

Post: Building a Duplex to Rent

Max McGuirkPosted
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  • Tulsa, OK
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Where in tulsa are you building the duplex? Have you started yet? Construction costs?