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All Forum Posts by: Maurice George

Maurice George has started 4 posts and replied 113 times.

Originally posted by @Bruce Lynn:

Where does it show the sales price? Years ago it used to show all the bids, but I thought for the past several years, it did not show the winning bid....but I'm no expert on this. How do we see what the winning bid was, other than from MLS once it closes. Does HUDHomeStore show the accepted price? Also strange isn't it if they had accepted an offer, why did they counter yours?....but then again we're talking about making sense with the government or government contractors...so tough to know how they operate or what their strategy is. Will be interested to see the comments here. We just don't have many HUDs around my area any more so haven't heard or experienced any stories lately like this.

For the first one, 245K is their initial listing price. 183K is on "bid results" section of HUDhomestore.com. For the second one (or any one I bid), I always always get a 88% counter (or around) regardless how much I bid. However, the second one got accepted at 65% net to HUD. If they can accept 65%, I have zero problem bid at 70%.

Bruce, it is making sense for your area (Dallas) that bid may go above asking. However, I am in shock that the first one can be accepted at 183K. It will be a great flipping deal even at 200K. I do not understand how on earth HUD could do something like this.

Originally posted by @Guy Yoes:

Those are good places as far as schools and quality of life. However, the property taxes and insurance costs are higher. They also do not offer as high a return on investment (in my opinion).

You might consider Sapulpa, Glenpool or Sand Springs

, They are working class areas and are more affordable for most renters.

My Jenks house is 1950 SQ FT cost $210K and rent is $1500.00

My Glenpool house is 1235  SQ FT cost is $115K and rent is $995.00

They are 4 miles apart.

Guy, I guess you may overpaid on your property? Properties in Tulsa should easily pass 1%. By the way, if you are in Springfield, MSU's student rental is making more sense.  

Originally posted by @Bruce Lynn:

So it is outside the exclusive period?   With that kind of pricing why did it not sell during exclusive?   They are in the business of selling to O/O, but I'm surprised they would take that kind of pricing.

Are you sure those are the right numbers?   I guess you can know for sure in 30-45 days.

Hey Bruce, to be accurate, I did check it again on HUD website. The property was sold 183K net of HUD. The listing (asking) price is 245K. I bid at extended (this property is on extended for about a week). However, according to HUD records, this one seems to bid as O/O, but offer was accepted two weeks later (during extended period). I am blown away by this. If I know this can be sold as 183K, I will leverage hard money for this deal, because this one can easily sold for 265 or even 270K (last transaction is in 2006 for 260K, so I believe current price is supporting 265 to 270K at least).

For another property in a rural community (the property sold for nearly 65% of asking as O/O), I bid repeatedly at various prices, but constantly got a 88% of asking counter. 

I do not know do I miss something on this? Could someone enlighten me on this?

Hello BP Pros, 

I am looking at a HUD property a few days ago. This property needs very minor (less than 3K work). It is considered a upper middle class neighborhood. This property's asking price is 245K (the comp is in 260K or 270K range with some minor work). I bid 80%, I got a typical 88% counter. I also put my offer as "back up considered". However, I am blown away today that I found that this property went 183K net as "O/O." I got blew away by this. How on earth my 80% never got considered?

Here is my question: Is HUD willing to accept much lower offer for buyer as O/O?

Thanks. 

Originally posted by @JC Wu:
Originally posted by @Maurice George:
Originally posted by @JC Wu:

@Ned Carey  I'd rather be over cautious than not to be cautious enough, especially since I'm a newbie and the property is ~2700 miles away. When I make decisions, I only care about the worst case scenario and whether I can handle it or not, which involves asking "what if" questions. 

Roofstock inspection reports aren’t created equal. The report for this particular property is only 13 pages long including all the pics, not very detailed. Some Roofstock inspection reports are over 100 pages long. 

My then prospective buyers cared about the roof permit and factored into their offer amount. 

 JC, I guess you may try semi local market in the future like Bakersfield/Fresno etc. You will able to resolve many problem within 2 hour drive. 

 Maurice. Bakersfield is more like 5 hrs drive away from me and Fresno 4 hrs (I live in San Francisco). But presuming there're good semi local markets within 2 hr drive, would you still mainly rely on a property manager?  I guess potential problems that come with acquisition can be resolved since I can see the property with my own eyes and meet an agent in person before I enter a PSA, but what part of "being a landlord" would you do it on your own and what part can be relegated to a PM? Unless I have to, I wouldn't make a 4 hr round trip, just because it's too time-consuming. 

 

I do not necessary mean Bakersfield, you can try Stockton or Modesto if you are in Bay Area. The reason I do not recommend your local market is price is way too high in Bay/LA. What I suggested is if your property manager cannot resolve it, you can drive there (or find a local friend) to resolve it. For Jacksonville, it is way too far from Bay and distance creates difficulties.

Originally posted by @JC Wu:

@Ned Carey  I'd rather be over cautious than not to be cautious enough, especially since I'm a newbie and the property is ~2700 miles away. When I make decisions, I only care about the worst case scenario and whether I can handle it or not, which involves asking "what if" questions. 

Roofstock inspection reports aren’t created equal. The report for this particular property is only 13 pages long including all the pics, not very detailed. Some Roofstock inspection reports are over 100 pages long. 

My then prospective buyers cared about the roof permit and factored into their offer amount. 

 JC, I guess you may try semi local market in the future like Bakersfield/Fresno etc. You will able to resolve many problem within 2 hour drive. 

Originally posted by @Eric F.:

Lets just say I have probably had 6 figures worth of 2,500 deposits charged and then refunded bidding on a certain type of asset on there and every single time I have been outbid in the last hour. After the 20th time the property appeared again after the first auction I quit going on it. 

At one point I was doing so many bids I had 2 credit cards I only used for auction.com deposits. Never won a single property. Was the higher bidder until the last 2 hours on at least 75% of the properties.

One of their reps was at our REIA and I asked if the bank or other parties with an interest in a higher sales price could bid and did not get a straight answer. I never logged on again

Eric, no surprise here. They always want to get the market price for the property. 

Originally posted by @David M.:

An update to this. The property I was bidding on with Hudson and Marshall went back to auction and I won the auction. This time I had to bid all the way to the original asking price. It was still a good deal so I took it. I used my own closing and title company. I had to pay all closing costs including excise tax. All of this was stated in the terms of the deal and was in the purchase and sale agreement. The process was a bit slow but Hudson and Marshall was fair and executed the deal as stated. I have no complaints and I will do business with them again.

So David, even if you won the initial auction with their listing price. They can still reject by citing "terms" miring in their hundreds of pages long document? Did they offer you counter offer as a courtesy before they relist it? 

Originally posted by @Darius Jamar Smith:

Scott England,

Thank you fro your insight. I am looking for the steps to take in order for a business owner in Uganda, to invest/purchase real estate in Houston, Texas. Who or what professional title is given to someone who handles these monetary transactions in these instances? And, before we move forward, he is legit. This past summer I visited him and his family, I've known him since college. His father was a prominent positive politician and they have legitimate business dealing with their government as well. It's all legit. I am curious as to what could cause a red flag as far as the origin mattering? Where is the best place for the money to flow from? Why would one account look fishy and what account or source will typically put worries at ease? 

African investors with that kind of money will not bother you for that. They typically go big name for their investment. It is 99.999% that this is a scam. 

Jim, I lived in Memphis for a few years. So, I have idea what area are you talking about. Have you ever considered relative high end "less desirable area" like Hickory Hill?