Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Matt Vanden Toorn

Matt Vanden Toorn has started 4 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: Starting a discussion question

Matt Vanden ToornPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

I like to write my posts in word and copy and paste them into biggerpockets. When I paste it reverses the order of paragraphs (ie. the last paragraph is first and the first paragraph is last). Anyone else have this issue?

Post: 2 Words That Have Saved Me Hours of Frustration

Matt Vanden ToornPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

I have also heard that works well. I'm going to implement that! Thx!

Post: 2 Words That Have Saved Me Hours of Frustration

Matt Vanden ToornPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

Like most of you, I do most of my advertising for my rentals through craigslist. Nothing irritates me more than setting up an appointment, driving over to the rental property to meet a prospective tenant and no one shows up. No call, no text, no email.. nothing. Homeboy is probably sitting at home watching family guy and I just wasted an hour of my time.

I discovered something that has been insanely useful to me and has nearly eliminated no shows, and its 2 words. The two words are “will you?”

More specifically, when you’re on the phone with your potential tenant and you finish your pre-qualifiers, you set up an appointment, THEN you ask them one important question, “will you call me if something comes up and you cant make it?”, and wait for their “yes.”

MOST IMPORTANT: It needs to be exactly that or something close to it. Saying “Give me a call if something changes”, “let me know if you cant make it” “please call if you something comes up” do not have the same effect. It needs to be a question and they need to respond. It cannot be a statement.

Obviously, the key is in the psychology of them verbally agreeing to do something you have asked them to do. There is very little commitment in simply agreeing to a statement.

Believe it or not, this makes a huge difference. I still have people cancel last minute, but they almost always call or text and let me know they’re not interested anymore or cant make it.

Post: In-person "analysis" technique to use before buying a rental

Matt Vanden ToornPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

When I was considering buying my first rental property I had a million things going through my head.

What if I get bad tenants?!

What if the neighborhood turns to Jurassic park at night?!

What if it doesn’t rent for what I think it will?!

What if I can’t find renters at all?!

Let’s be honest, most of this is just a human response that happens before we make a big decision – the fear of failure. But, it can be real! We’ve all seen the quote before “Fear kills more dreams than failure ever did.” But how do you know if it’s the fear of failure or it’s a significant concern you should be pumping the breaks on. 

When I was in this position, I did something that really helped curb both my fear of failure and helped me answer my questions – and I strongly recommend it, especially for a beginner.

It was a sunny Sunday afternoon in June. I was still in the inspection period before closing on my first rental house so I drove to the house to take a look at it again. I parked in the drive way, walked around the house a few times, noticed a few trivial things and saw the neighbor sitting outside his house. I walked over and started talking to him. First, there was some small talk then we started talked about the neighborhood, his house, his family, etc. This is where the lightbulb turned on and I opened up my mental notebook. In 15-20 minutes I found out some very valuable information.

-What was the neighborhood like - Is it improving? Good? Bad? Is it safe? Is there a crazy lady who screams out of her window at night?

-Who was he - what type of person lives in the neighborhood. Students? Blue collar employees? Retirees? 

-How big was his house and what was he paying in rent – and how does it compare to mine

-How long has he lived there - If the neighborhood is improving quickly and he has lived there for a number of years, his rent may be under market

-Who is his landlord - a family member could mean lower rent, If it’s a rental property management company it could be a good reference for future

-What does he like/ not like about living there – is there a rat problem? Flooding issues? Or just quiet peaceful neighbors?

I left that conversation and immediately walked a few more houses down and started talking to a different neighbor. I then continued down the street and talked to 8-10 more people who were outside enjoying their day. I started like this “Hey, how are you doing? I’m looking at buying this house right down from you. How do you like it here? How is the neighborhood?” And one things leads to the next.

I got comments like this:

“I just moved here and found this place for 850.00, it’s a good deal. I looked forever to find it because that’s I could pay.”

“Rents have been going up so fast!”

“The neighborhood is great! We have never had any problems.”

This was a game changer because it allowed me to gain a comprehensive understanding of the neighborhood where I was buying an investment. Although I had already done my analysis before I put in the offer, this process confirmed my decision to buy my first rental here. Just like a picture is worth a 1000 words, this process is worth a 1000 data points. Yes, I found out what rents were, but I found out many more valuable bits of information. Information I would have never been able to gather from a spreadsheet.

I was able to put my fear in check because fortunately, the snapshot of the market matched my business strategy. And the best thing is, it cost me nothing! Nothing but a few hours on a sunny Sunday afternoon. 

Give it a try, let me know what you think.

Post: Opinion on offering 17k over list on a 90k property

Matt Vanden ToornPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4
I put an offer in on a property yesterday (same day it was listed) for asking price. Asking price was basically the same as the zestimate and the house was turn key. Today everything seems good - sellers agent contacted my bank to ensure profile/pre-approval. They told me we'd know by the end of the day. An hour later they get an offer for 17k over list. Why would someone do that? I understand over list, but 17k on a house listed at 90k?!? Is there a strategy they're using for securing homes that I could be utilizing? (Aside from the obvious of throwing stupid money at a property) Ie. Make the offer seem extreme and then when the house doesn't appraise, renegotiate?

Post: Bought a rental in Hazel Park, MI

Matt Vanden ToornPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

I just bought in HP as well. How did the landlord license work out for you?