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All Forum Posts by: Matt Mastrelli

Matt Mastrelli has started 2 posts and replied 9 times.

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
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I wouldn't call West Milford a classic hold market so you want to consider that. The value add is the way to appreciation there. You will get appreciation over time, but split-levels will appreciate at a slower pace compared to colonials in that area. If I am not considering the tax consequences, which are relevant, I would sell just because holding a property in West Milford doesn't have that much scale. You can 1031 into a new investment property and keep the snowball going. You want your price point to go up a little each time you buy to flip because the margins get higher as your price point gets higher and a lot of times the percentage rehab stays the same.

That is one of the reasons I was thinking of dumping it. It isn’t the best area for holding for several reasons. 1. It’s rural and not much down town although this one is very close to the town that is there. 2. Appreciation like you stated is not great up there. The issue I have is I want to keep my numbers low. For instance if I can cash flow $400 per $190k house in pa or $500 for a $425k house in nj the math is very simple and would be doing the two PA houses.  So trying to do a 1031 would keep increasing my costs. Maybe I am missing the big picture on this one but I’m not ready for several door properties which would be a higher and easy 1031. 

How old is the septic? When you buy in NJ and get septic and well, I would be more inclined to sell just based on that. A new septic, when it comes due, is low-range 40k if it's a direct replace and the leach field is ok. If not, could go as high as 65k.

Septic was replaced around 20 years ago. Well pump was just replaced. I prefer slightly more rural areas as that’s where I’m the most experienced so they will all have septics and/or wells. I’m an engineer by degree and have worked on a few septics during my excavation years. I wouldn’t want to do another, however, I can do them much cheaper. With that said, my time isn’t free either so that is a good point. 

If the capital gains weren’t a thought I would most likely sell it and not look back. It’s just I don’t want to 1031 into a property in that price range and I hate the idea of a 20%+ tax hit on the gains. 

The last septic I redid in Montville had 7 town inspections. You can't do them yourself, it will never pass. It's the focus of many towns now and when you have a septic inspections, the companies have to turn that over to the town usually so it's flagged and most large repairs require replacement. Capital gains are the cost of doing business. It's better than a loss. You would be holding something with a 20-year old septic so you have 40k coming due within the next 5 years most likely.


Unless code and inspections in NJ are much different than PA I won’t have any issues with passing them. My brother still owns the excavating company in PA and does several septics a year. It may have been a few years since I have but I can read codes and stay compliant. I’ve worked a bunch on other large projects and inspections  (building, zoning, plumbing, and electrical) and have had no issues in PA and NJ. I assumed septics would be similar. However, I do know septic inspections and repairs are more documented and regulated. With that being said, I will agree with you that it is a expense to be considered which is why I added that it had septic/well in my initial post. I’m not sure that I would base my hold/sell decision on that solely though. I am a spreadsheet kind of person and am having trouble with this specific deal since neither holding or selling seem to come out on top. I like making math decisions and this one seems like almost a toss up. I’ve had some good insight from this forum with mixed responses which help reinforce that neither is a specially bad option. 

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @Matt Mastrelli:
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

I wouldn't call West Milford a classic hold market so you want to consider that. The value add is the way to appreciation there. You will get appreciation over time, but split-levels will appreciate at a slower pace compared to colonials in that area. If I am not considering the tax consequences, which are relevant, I would sell just because holding a property in West Milford doesn't have that much scale. You can 1031 into a new investment property and keep the snowball going. You want your price point to go up a little each time you buy to flip because the margins get higher as your price point gets higher and a lot of times the percentage rehab stays the same.

That is one of the reasons I was thinking of dumping it. It isn’t the best area for holding for several reasons. 1. It’s rural and not much down town although this one is very close to the town that is there. 2. Appreciation like you stated is not great up there. The issue I have is I want to keep my numbers low. For instance if I can cash flow $400 per $190k house in pa or $500 for a $425k house in nj the math is very simple and would be doing the two PA houses.  So trying to do a 1031 would keep increasing my costs. Maybe I am missing the big picture on this one but I’m not ready for several door properties which would be a higher and easy 1031. 

How old is the septic? When you buy in NJ and get septic and well, I would be more inclined to sell just based on that. A new septic, when it comes due, is low-range 40k if it's a direct replace and the leach field is ok. If not, could go as high as 65k.

Septic was replaced around 20 years ago. Well pump was just replaced. I prefer slightly more rural areas as that’s where I’m the most experienced so they will all have septics and/or wells. I’m an engineer by degree and have worked on a few septics during my excavation years. I wouldn’t want to do another, however, I can do them much cheaper. With that said, my time isn’t free either so that is a good point. 

If the capital gains weren’t a thought I would most likely sell it and not look back. It’s just I don’t want to 1031 into a property in that price range and I hate the idea of a 20%+ tax hit on the gains. 
Quote from @Shawn Mcenteer:

Hi @Matt Mastrelli Great job taking action.  NJ is a great place to own buy and hold properties (although most will disagree).  If you leverage the state properly you can attract very good tenants that pay high rent.  What makes NJ good is being in areas with favorable land lording laws and proximity to transportation/NYC.  West Milford is not bad for land lording laws but it’s kind of far out there for rentals.  Butler tends to be as far North on 23 I like to go for rental properties.  Once you get past Butler the vacancy rate goes up substantially.  For this reason I would be more inclined to selling and parking your cash in more attractive rental markets.

You speak right to my worries that I have been mentioning to my wife. It’s hot for selling here but maybe not renting. This house pretty much fell into my lap otherwise I wouldn’t be buying in west milford. I have a friend with a property in the edge of butler that rents easy so I would agree with you on that.  
Quote from @Austin Cheatham:

At the end of the day, it’s really up to what you want to achieve. From a tax and cash perspective, refinancing could be a solid move. You could pull out cash tax-free and still benefit from depreciation and other deductions on the rental side, which could reduce your tax liability.

Quick Tax Comparison:

  • Selling:
    • Capital Gain: $160,000
    • Tax Due: ~$32,000 (at 20%)
    • Net After Tax: ~$128,000
  • Refinancing:
    • Loan Amount: ~$263,500 (at 62% LTV)
    • Tax Impact: None on the cash-out
    • Rental Deductions: Continue benefiting from depreciation and mortgage interest deductions.

Refinancing offers liquidity without the immediate tax hit and lets you maintain rental income, making it potentially more advantageous.

All of these are rough numbers of course, but just some different ways to think about it!

I appreciate that input. For sure something I have been trying to run through. I guess the big question I’ll need to crunch numbers on  is money now vs money later and opportunity cost analysis. 
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

I wouldn't call West Milford a classic hold market so you want to consider that. The value add is the way to appreciation there. You will get appreciation over time, but split-levels will appreciate at a slower pace compared to colonials in that area. If I am not considering the tax consequences, which are relevant, I would sell just because holding a property in West Milford doesn't have that much scale. You can 1031 into a new investment property and keep the snowball going. You want your price point to go up a little each time you buy to flip because the margins get higher as your price point gets higher and a lot of times the percentage rehab stays the same.

That is one of the reasons I was thinking of dumping it. It isn’t the best area for holding for several reasons. 1. It’s rural and not much down town although this one is very close to the town that is there. 2. Appreciation like you stated is not great up there. The issue I have is I want to keep my numbers low. For instance if I can cash flow $400 per $190k house in pa or $500 for a $425k house in nj the math is very simple and would be doing the two PA houses.  So trying to do a 1031 would keep increasing my costs. Maybe I am missing the big picture on this one but I’m not ready for several door properties which would be a higher and easy 1031. 
Quote from @Austin Cheatham:

While I’m not an experienced investor myself, I can share my perspective as a real estate accountant, which might help you weigh your options.

1. Refinance and Rent:

Given the numbers you've shared, refinancing and renting could be a solid move. With an ARV of $400-425k and an LTV of ~62%, pulling out your initial investment while maintaining positive cash flow around $500 per month sounds like a good strategy. This would allow you to keep the property in your portfolio and generate ongoing income.

From a tax perspective, holding onto the property as a rental would let you take advantage of depreciation, which could reduce your taxable income. Plus, since the house is fully renovated, you’re likely to face fewer maintenance costs in the near term, helping maintain that cash flow.

2. Sell and Reinvest:

On the other hand, selling could free up about $85k after taxes and closing costs, which gives you flexibility to invest in other properties, possibly in PA where you’re more familiar with the market. However, you’d need to consider the impact of short-term capital gains tax, which depends on your specific tax bracket. Selling could be a good option if you have plans to quickly reinvest that capital into high-return opportunities.

3. Opportunity Cost:

Something to consider is the opportunity cost of the $160k in equity tied up in this property. If you think you could achieve higher returns by reinvesting that equity elsewhere, selling might be the better choice. But if your goal is to build a portfolio of rental properties for long-term cash flow, holding onto this property could help you achieve that, especially with the solid cash flow and lower anticipated repairs.

4. Trust Your Gut—And Your Strategy:

It sounds like both you and your wife are weighing your options carefully, which is great. My advice would be to align your decision with your long-term strategy. If building a portfolio of cash-flowing rentals is the goal, then refinancing and holding onto the property might be the way to go. If maximizing your capital for future deals is the priority, then selling and reinvesting could be more beneficial.

I’m happy to help you run the numbers or dive deeper into the financials if that would be useful. Feel free to reach out—always glad to assist.

Best of luck with your decision!

Austin, that is exactly the train of thought I had. As I may not be a CPA, I do my own taxes and consider myself slightly above an average persons knowledge when it comes to the tax code. However, this still means there’s still a ton I need to learn. The depreciation, repairs, and mortgage interest from the property renting will surely create a paper loss and help our somewhat high salary’s tax liability which is great.

With the same thought, selling would do the exact opposite but would leave me with a chunk of change in my pocket. Honestly, it won’t help me get anymore houses quickly as I have different means to buy houses but am very picky and like to do the work ourselves currently to keep expenses down. That results in only doing one at a time right now with a max of maybe 3 a year. So it’s not like having the extra $85k will get the next deal quicker. What it could do though is get the next PA house almost paid off leaving a much larger cash flow. 
TMI, but I ran those numbers and although it sounds good month to month, paying it off would leave a low COC return and surly not outpace other investments. 

I guess besides money it comes down to me worrying how long it will take to rent while I know it would sell in a month or less. One of our current thoughts is to put up for rent for a set time (two months) and if it doesn’t rent then sell but that would put us into winter which may hinder selling. 

So many different thoughts but it’s nice to see other people’s input and viewpoints. 

Post: Excited new investor

Matt MastrelliPosted
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River, I have bid on a few properties that would be great for short term but most of what I am looking at are for long term due to town restrictions and very good school districts. Also, the area I am from will forever have a overwhelming amount of people looking to rent so long term rentals don't sit on the market long there. Thanks for the reply!

Post: Excited new investor

Matt MastrelliPosted
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Hello all, I am a new investor living in NJ with one unit in Northern NJ and a second under contract in the Poconos (PA). Long term I'd like to have more in the Poconos due to my familiarity to the area as I grew up there. Long time lurker on BP but first time poster.

Hello everyone, my wife and I are about 5 weeks into our 10 week gut renovation of our first deal. I am newer to this but have done years of research, read books, and read numerous posts on this forum. The house in question is located in West Milford, NJ and is a 1963 3 bed 2 bath split level on a pretty level .25 acre lot right outside of town center with natural gas but septic, well, etc. The house was purchased for $200k using a HELOC from my primary residence and part of my savings. The house was a hoarder house and needed a large amount of work (Roof including plywood, facia boards, soffit, gutters, underground plumbing, outdoor deck, all windows, doors, flooring, bathrooms, half the sheetrock, retaining walls, etc.) The original budget was 50k. With carrying costs, repairs, and previous unknowns, I am now looking at approximately $65k as we are doing nearly everything ourselves (I own heavy equipment and previously had a contracting/landscaping business). We have another deal coming up that we are under contract for and it leaves me thinking of whether we should sell this or refinance and rent as originally intended.

About us: We our located 30 minutes from this property in NJ. I am from PA and the next deal and several after that will be in Effort, Pa and Pike County, PA which is 1 hour or so from me and where my family is from. I am very familiar with that market, slightly less in NJ.

Long term goals: Owning single families in PA and then possible getting into MF or building townhouses at a later date in NJ. I work a well paying day job but one day would like not to although I wouldn't mind doing this "full time" later for "fun."

Subject house math:

-Purchase: $200k

-Closing, rehab, to date carrying costs: $65k

-ARV $400-425k

-Rent $2900-3100

-Taxes $9k a year

-Insurance $1500 a year (Estimate)

My math works out that if I refinance and pull all my money back out (LTV ~62%) I will have a total monthly cost (Tax, insurance, P&I) of about $2450 leaving roughly $500 cash flow assuming I manage the property myself. This obviously is neglecting the agent fee to get a tenant in. Also, the house is being fully redone top to bottom with good rental and good flip materials for the B community that its in so repairs should be less common than most.

The market here is very hot still and this likely would sell quickly. However, I am not certain how quick it would rent. IF we sold it, assume 10% for agent, transfer fee, etc to sell. Short term capital gains for our bracket would be 20%. I can't do a 1031 exchange since all the ones I am looking at after this are sub 200k purchase prices. So, assuming best case of $425k sale price, and the all in price of $265k...The take away in our pocket would be $85k conservatively after closing costs and capital gains

I need help with how experienced investors decide to keep or to sell. Please correct my thinking but if I can refinance this and rent it with no money left in the deal I have a COC return of 100% right away BUT the opportunity cost of the $160k in equity will be considered too. I wouldn't want to take more money out because 1. I don't NEED it and 2. I don't want to be over leveraged. My gut is to flip, wife's gut is to rent as we intended.

Ideas/advice/critiquing my thinking?