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All Forum Posts by: Matthew Weaver

Matthew Weaver has started 5 posts and replied 15 times.

Post: Best Rehab Estimating app

Matthew Weaver
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  • Posts 15
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Quote from @Katie Miller:
Quote from @Matthew Weaver:

Hey BP world!

I am looking for guidance on the best rehab estimating software.  I liked the detail of the BP legacy system, however not such a fan of the Kukun.  To me, it is too simplistic and it does not accommodate being rolled over to my finance company draw sheet, so it is double work.   With the previous system, not only do I use the detail to track my cost break down but I update as real costs come in to compare my estimates with marketplace reality.  

Any suggestions on what the BP world uses would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


Cheers,

Matt


 Matt, Just an FYI, you can still access our old flipping calculator here, too!


 Thank you, I appreciate that. 

Post: Best Rehab Estimating app

Matthew Weaver
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Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@Matthew Weaver I don't know your experience level but like @Scott E. mentioned already I cannot see any software or apps being able to calculate rehab costs correctly a PROJECT basis. Every rehab we have completed (SFH) has been unique with different ARV's and finishes. Contractor labor costs are changing. Scope of work is changing.

From a low level prospective I don't see how an app can keep up. For accounting that's a different story. That's my 2 cents. 

Thanks.  My question was not clear enough.  It is not about an app telling me how much it will cost, but tracking my estimate and then comparing the actuals for future reference.

Post: Best Rehab Estimating app

Matthew Weaver
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  • Posts 15
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@Matthew Weaver I don't know your experience level but like @Scott E. mentioned already I cannot see any software or apps being able to calculate rehab costs correctly a PROJECT basis. Every rehab we have completed (SFH) has been unique with different ARV's and finishes. Contractor labor costs are changing. Scope of work is changing.

From a low level prospective I don't see how an app can keep up. For accounting that's a different story. That's my 2 cents. 

Thanks. My question was not written clearly.  it is not about telling me how much it will cost, it is about tracking my estimate and then comparing actuals for future use. 

Post: Best Rehab Estimating app

Matthew Weaver
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Quote from @David Robertson:

I'm going to break my response down into 2 recommendations, because there are 2 phases of estimating costs that require different "apps".

- Quick Estimates/Rough Calculations 

- Detailed Estimates

Quick Estimates/Rough Calculations using the Human Brain/Calculator/Notepad

When you are first evaluating a deal you need to be able to roughly estimate costs as quickly as possible to determine if the property is a good deal and if you should make an offer.

As other's have suggested, the human brain is great at quickly making rough calculations.  Experienced investors can walkthrough a property and quickly tabulate rough costs of the major renovations in their head.

Example:

Roof $5k, kitchen $15k, bathroom $5k x 2, flooring x $3/sf, etc, etc.  

This rough math can all be done using the human brain, a calculator or notepad to help you quickly evaluate a deal without fumbling around with a spreadsheet or an "app".

Detailed Estimates using Spreadsheets/Software

The problem with the human brain (mine at least), is my brain tends to forget things, so after I walkthrough a property I like to go through a checklist to make sure I didn't forget anything.

I also like to put my estimate information in spreadsheet/software to document all of the repairs for future reference.  

Eventually, once I get the property under contract I will need to give this detailed estimate and SOW information to my business partners, lenders, Contractors, etc.  

I will also use my detailed estimate as a reference for managing my budget during construction.  

A good spreadsheet or software can help streamline this process so you aren't losing all of this data in your brain/calculator/notepad.

Spreadsheets

To start, you should really create your own custom spreadsheet with all of your typical repair items and prices that you can use as a checklist.  

Your spreadsheet should have a list of all of your labor prices that you pay your contractors in your local market, and it should also include material prices for your specific materials you use in your projects.

Estimating Software/App

There are estimating apps/software that streamline the estimating process that have additional benefits like:

- Ability to save your own custom estimate templates with your own pricing, SKUs, etc

- Ability to make material selections and include exact material SKUs in your estimates

- Ability to create shopping lists for your project materials

- Ability to create estimate reports/SOW detailing your estimated costs in a professional report

- Ability to create SOW documents for your Contractors telling them exactly what they need to include

- Ability to track and compare your actual costs against your estimates

These are all things the human brain can't do, which is why I tend to do the detailed estimates in a spreadsheet/software.

Thank you! This looks like what I may need.  I do the same, walk it and estimate it, based on my experience from prior rehab and cost differentials for the area.  But as you said, if it does not get written down and tracked it gets lost or forgotten.

Post: Best Rehab Estimating app

Matthew Weaver
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  • IN/OH/AZ/GA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Scott E.:

I don't use any rehab estimating apps. I estimate the rehab in my head as I walk deals. Then I bring my GC out to give me a formal estimate on the project if I get the deal under contract.

Sounds like you might be looking for accounting software more than a rehab estimating app? Your title and post are a bit conflicting.

 You really should not need an app to tell you how much it will cost. I never used one and have done 1ks of reno/ repairs. Just connect with someone doing deals, learn then apply what you learn. Keep it simple :) 

All the best 


 It is not really the app, that is why I do not like Kukun, as it is pre determines costs and takes them out of my control.  The app is not for doing the estimate it is for tracking the estimate costs.  i walk the property and determine as go as well, but if it is not tracked it will be lost and get scope creep. Thanks 

Post: Best Rehab Estimating app

Matthew Weaver
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Quote from @J Scott:

BiggerPockets sells a great estimating book that walks through the methodology and comes with a bunch of spreadsheets.

If you're looking for an app, House Flipping Spreadsheet is my choice. The founder, Dave Robertson, is pretty active here on BP as well.

Thanks , i ahve already read your book.  it was very good.  


Post: Best Rehab Estimating app

Matthew Weaver
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  • Posts 15
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Hey BP world!

I am looking for guidance on the best rehab estimating software.  I liked the detail of the BP legacy system, however not such a fan of the Kukun.  To me, it is too simplistic and it does not accommodate being rolled over to my finance company draw sheet, so it is double work.   With the previous system, not only do I use the detail to track my cost break down but I update as real costs come in to compare my estimates with marketplace reality.  

Any suggestions on what the BP world uses would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


Cheers,

Matt

Post: Bought two houses in one package deal.

Matthew Weaver
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  • IN/OH/AZ/GA
  • Posts 15
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Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $35,000
Cash invested: $9,000
Sale price: $105,000

Just purchased two houses for rehab and hold them as rentals.

Post: Bought two houses in one package deal.

Matthew Weaver
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Thanks! Two lots with dysfunctional lot lines caused an unnecessary encroachment issue.  The original plat was from the late 1890's.  Seems no one had taken the time to ask for a change. 

Post: Bought two houses in one package deal.

Matthew Weaver
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Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Culver.

Purchase price: $130,000
Cash invested: $152,000

The house was built in 1910 as a 3 bedroom, 2.5 bathroom. The floor plan and exterior land usage was functionally obsolete. Added a large deck and privacy fencing to create a back yard oasis. Opened the kitchen walls and removed chimney to increase the size of two bedrooms. Reworked from the studs up and converted to a 4 bedroom, 3 full bath home. Redesigned the stairs to improve rise and run. The entire house is significantly more efficient, foam insulation, E windows and LED lighting, and

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I was able to buy two houses that together needed rehab and redesign. There was a lot of function obsolescence in and around the homes. We were able to see how to improve them both and have the Teams get the work to execute with high quality. Our knowledge of the marketplace and the demands of the buyers allowed us to redesign and improve them.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

We found the deals using D4D. Then negotiated directly with the owner.

How did you finance this deal?

Cash on my assets and then BRRRR

How did you add value to the deal?

Market knowledge to develop an ARV and a solid estimate of construction costs. It also takes working with the contractor to make changes to improve and mitigate costs.

What was the outcome?

Purchased both houses for 187K spent 165K and they valued at 529K

Lessons learned? Challenges?

As Kiyosaki states hire experts. The challenge was getting the property line adjustment through the city. Once I got the right RE attorney, it all fell into place.