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All Forum Posts by: Matthew Patton

Matthew Patton has started 6 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: A 3/2 with a detached apartment behind it?

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

Hey all,

As I hunt for my first multiplex, I'm coming across 3/2 SFHs with either one or two apartments in a detached building behind it. I'm curious for anyone out with one of these setups. At first glance, it would seem like someone interested in a full size single family home isn't interested in having people live on the same property behind their house and it may prove harder to rent out than the apartments themselves. Or at least, that's my guess. Or am I wrong? I keep coming across a 3/2 SFH with a detached 2 car garage and a 2/1 above it.

The numbers work for me. But I'm concerned about rentability with the front/main house after I move out of it in a year. 

Thanks again! 

Post: Newbie from St Petersburg

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

Thanks all for the welcome. Looking forward to diving into this! Glad to have discovered the forum!

Post: Newbie from St Petersburg

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

Hello! 

New to investing in real estate and on the cusp of making my first purchase. First purchase plan is a 3 or 4 plex with an FHA loan. After that I'm interested in SFH investments. I'm quite happy with my career so I'm not looking to quit my job, but, it's a boom or bust industry and I want another "iron in the fire" to break off from having to rely on that career. I'm born and bred in Florida and have spent most of my life in Pinellas County.

For the past couple years I have been reading everything I can get my hands on, put my finances in order, and I'm ready to jump in. 

Wish me luck. 

Post: St Petersburg Maintenance/Vacancies

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Anthony Finotti:

I like to use 8% for vacancies in my SFH so that after 12 months of a single tenant you now have one full month of rent to cover while you turn the unit for a new tenant.

Thanks Anthony. I thought about that as a possibility. I'm curious how many others like to do that as well. 

Post: Rental calculator with FHA loans

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Red Smith:

Do you mean the addition of Mortgage Insurance Premium (MIP)? Using the rental calculator assumes that you are buying an investment property. As of 2013 FHA requires any loan with an LTV ratio greater than 90% top have MIP for the term of the loan. it doesn't automatically drop off once you hit 22% equity, you would have to refinance out of an FHA loan to remove the MIP, with this considered, you might find the MIP you pay over the time just isn't viable. I know it doesn't answer your question, but taking this into account, maybe it does.

Look for an "FHA Loan calculator" to give yourself an idea of what MIP will cost you

I'm aware of all of this. Up until today (Before I paid to have access to the pro membership), I have been doing the math manually. Via an excel spreadsheet I made. It automatically factored in the FHA percentages.

However, the Biggerpockets rental calculator does not seem to do this. And it actually kind of screws me up because I can't even put in a custom financed amount number. It's just a sliding percentage bar with preselected percentage amounts. 


I really liked the printout analysis that the calculator does but because I can't put a precise financed amount in, it effectively makes the calculator useless for FHA loans.

Please correct me if I am wrong. 

Post: Rental calculator with FHA loans

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Julio Garcia:

What do you mean "expenses associated with an FHA loan?"

Well an FHA loan, if below 10% down payment, adds an insurance fee onto the purchase amount of 1.75%. So this would affect the actual monthly mortgage amount. Also, it then charges a 1.05% monthly insurance fee.

I could, under expenses, add the monthly PMI expense. However, there's no where for me to factor in the upfront FHA 1.75% fee that affects the financed amount.... or even anywhere to manually insert a financed amount.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's how I've been doing my manual math calculations. 

Post: St Petersburg Maintenance/Vacancies

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

hi all,

I am in the Tampa area attempting to buy my first 3 or 4plex to move into. When crunching numbers for a max offer price, I'm factoring 10% maint, 5% vacs, 10% management.


Some of the units are rehabbed. Some are not. Most of them are over 50  yrs old. I'm curious what you are experiencing with these costs in the St Petersburg/Tampa area. I feel I may be trying to put aside too much for rehabbed units (or maybe even non rehabbed for the price point of everything down here) and am coming up with max offers that are well below asking price. And with this market Im not sure I'll be able to safely get in on the fun.

Appreciate your time.

Matt

Post: Rental calculator with FHA loans

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

I am just starting to play with the rental calculator and am wondering if there is a way to factor in the expenses associated with an FHA loan? Without these expenses, all the numbers it gives me are going to be incorrect.

Appreciate anyone for the guidance. 

Thank you. 

Post: Percentage of PITI or actual Rental Income?

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Bill B.:

You really need to talk to property managers or property owners in your exact area. 

Those numbers swing BIG time between 100 year old homes with wood siding in key west or the great white north versus 5 year old stucco homes in Vegas. Then figure in condo versus home. Then figure in snow or not, tornados or not. Income tax or not, high or low property taxes, tile or asphalt shingles, basements and foundation types, etc etc...

Over the last 20 years with a dozen properties in Vegas my management is 8% (plus a few hundred here or there for renewals or tenant placement, but way under 9%.) my vacancy is WAAY under 2%, probably under 1%. My capex is WAAAAY WAAY under 2%, again, likely under 1%. Repairs/maintenance expenses are waaay under 1%. 

My only out of state property is a townhome in MN. Over the last 7 years 0% vacancy, 0% management, <1% repairs, 0% capex. But the outside of the building isn’t my responsibility. I have 4 kitchen appliances, a water heater, furnace/ac. When you’re getting $35k in rent you could buy all new appliances every other year @ 5%. 

Which brings up another thing. These are all percents of rent. Well, if you buy a $50,000 house that brings in $500/mo. You’re repairs are going to be 20% for the year if you buy a new fridge. (As opposed to 3% if the rent is $3,000). I can’t even imagine the percentages if you have to have a $7,000 new shingle roof installed on that $6k/year rental. 

Ask around, you’ll find 90% of landlords are super friendly to new guys trying to get started. (Sorry, I’m old, new guys and gals? Ladies? Let’s go with Men & Women.)

 Thank you! I'll do that. Nice to see a different perspective with your percentages amd experiences. 

Post: Percentage of PITI or actual Rental Income?

Matthew PattonPosted
  • Homeowner
  • St Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @John Teachout:

PITI is not typically used as a reference for anything as that can vary by down payment or what interest rate and term you have. Many people do reserves for maintenance, vacancy, capex as a percentage of the rent. Without some intensive calculations, things like maintenance and capex are just "guesses" but what's important is that you set aside a portion of the rent every month for the inevitable expenses. The amounts can always be adjusted.

Thanks John.