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All Forum Posts by: Matthew Grabau

Matthew Grabau has started 1 posts and replied 5 times.

Jacob Sampson If I do your calculation I come out to around $1400 per month positive as is. I'm not sure what you mean by asking if I have 20k? Is that an insult of some kind?
Originally posted by @Matt M.:

What are the "ACTUAL" rents? Will these units compete with the new ones being built? 

As a "new" investor, I'd try something a bit smaller to see how it goes. What does your Realtor say about the comps, etc in the area? How do they compare with this unit?

The rents in January are $9875 total.  So at say $950 for a two bedroom the new ones built will be at $1800 for a 2 bedroom.  It is the new lightrail station in Arvada but the only one with this buildout so far.  I think in the denver area it would be considered a strong deal but the entire Denver area is inflated so its hard to compare.  To give you an idea it sold for just under $700K two years ago with maybe 100K of improvements max.  

Rents right now are just under $10,000 a month for the 12 units and probably a little bit of room to go.  He is getting $950 for the 2 bedroom's and $850 for the 1 bedrooms.  I think these are a little low still but up over $300 per unit in rent over the past 18 months.  Those of you from Denver probably agree that this is happening everywhere right now.

I dont think the Boom of whats happening around it are calculated into the price but two years ago a class B rental building would see for around $60K a unit in greater denver and now in 2015 smaller units are going for $115K a unit and there is no supply under $2M  

I figure If Im going to pay close to $500K for a Four-Plex I might as well buy something thats worth it.  I just dont know if cashflowing say $20,000 a year is worth it on $400K down payment.

Everything I listen to says to buy in your market but Denver is crazy.


Originally posted by @Matthew Grabau:
Originally posted by @Jacob Sampson:

I agree with @Matt M.

1.  What are the actual numbers?  I guarantee they aren't what is on their brochure.

2.  Don't purchase based on what might happen in the future.  Purchase for solid cash flow now and in the future.

3.  It sounds like the boom that may happen is not secret so the market may already have that boom calculated into the price you are paying.

4.  If your going to make a mistake, make it a small one.  You have all the time in the world to build a solid real estate business.  You don't need to try and win the lottery right off the bat.

Originally posted by @Jacob Sampson:

I agree with @Matt M.

1.  What are the actual numbers?  I guarantee they aren't what is on their brochure.

2.  Don't purchase based on what might happen in the future.  Purchase for solid cash flow now and in the future.

3.  It sounds like the boom that may happen is not secret so the market may already have that boom calculated into the price you are paying.

4.  If your going to make a mistake, make it a small one.  You have all the time in the world to build a solid real estate business.  You don't need to try and win the lottery right off the bat.

I am a new investor based in Denver looking to do my first Multi-Family deal with a goal of purchasing 1-2 deals per year.  I have a deal I am looking at in Denver that is Pre-Market but I am not sure if the numbers make sense.  

It is in Westminster about 1 block from the new lightrail station opening up this summer that over the next 5 years include millions of dollars in redevelopment including high end apartments, parks, retail, etc.  The redevelopment property line will but up to my property line. This is all good but I feel it is overpriced with a cap rate just under 6% but in a sense its not overpriced as Denver is exploding right now.

I've been looking at this trying to get my head around it. Here's a couple thoughts;

-$1.4 mil purchase price with 30% down is $420k means approximate mortgage of $1 mil

- mortgage payment would be approximately $5500 per month.

-Yearly mortgage expense is approximately $66k

-If you use the proforma numbers they have on their brochure, yearly income minus expenses is about $85k

-Income minus mortgage expense ($85k-$66k) is $19k

-With a down payment of $420k that makes your return 4.5%

The real potential here is the 5 year outlook on the property being bought by a developer or rents going up 25% and then you can make a few hundred K on the deal.

http://www.denverpost.com/arvada/ci_27684383/227-million-projects-bring-780-living-units-downtown